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post #5191 of 6163
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Originally Posted by Harrydog View Post

I had a similar issue with an Alfred Sargent chukka boot. My understanding was that it was an issue with the hatch grain calf, sourced from Horween, that seemed to have trouble holding the color.

For this to happen on such a high end shoe as St. C. is unacceptable.

 

Strange, my test pair from Antonio, which is a hatch from Horween, has no issues at all.This is after wearing them intensively, as I wanted to properly test the shoes. 

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Came across the interesting Horween Russian Calf / Hatchgrain discussion.

 

The pair of ZB Russian Calf chukkas belong to me. After 3 wears, there is some lightening of the leather at crease areas though nothing as drastically bad as MoosicPA's St C derbies.

 

I had specifically asked ZB about the leather as I have seen complaints about the finishing coming off and this is what they shared with me.

 

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We have only one colour of Russian Calf in our stock and it is the Horween material. We re-finish it and the result can be slightly different. The wholecut derby boot ZB 048 uppers have to be soaked in water before lasting to soften the material which is quite hard (as you have probably seen in our video). In this case, the print becomes less prominent and the colour is slightly lighter. We re-dress the leather with a bee wax based balm and we polish it with Saphir.

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Anyway, I will be bringing along that pair for a long trip in Europe soon which should give it a good test on the "colour fastness".

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I'm so confused. This is the St Crispin's appreciation thread. The last few posts have shown a few independent forummers stating that the finishing method, or perhaps the quality of leather used in St Cs is bad.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Does it turn out that St Cs arent all that good?

 

Is there a particular leather or colour that they do better than others? I don't want to be spending money on something that has received several complaints... on its own appreciation thread!

post #5194 of 6163
I don't understand you people. Clearly hatch grain leather has issues across all brands, and it has to do with the leather, not the maker. If you don't like how it looks after some wears just don't get hatch grain. Problem solved. This isn't difficult, people.
post #5195 of 6163
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I don't understand you people. Clearly hatch grain leather has issues across all brands, and it has to do with the leather, not the maker. If you don't like how it looks after some wears just don't get hatch grain. Problem solved. This isn't difficult, people.

I am not sure if I can agree with this opinion though. Obviously, customers are paying the price for not doing their homework (not that there was much information available until the issue is brought up recently though), but as business owner if you tell your customers that it is their problems, not yours, i doubt that the business will last very long.

When issue is identified, i think it is best to acknowledge and fix it, not to hide away from it.
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Made some off these comments in the shoe porn thread as well but may make sense to repeat myself. I have a pair of Russia leather chukkas and they had the same type of wear that many hear experienced. Uneven colouring and so on.

Did, however, find that it can be totally remedied through a good polishing. This picture is the "after",
Afraid I have no "before" picture

R-O-T

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Some quick and dirty pics.. these are my Zonkey Boots in Russian calf after 3 wears and no additional polish. As you can see, it has lightened up in the crease areas but looks all right to me. If you are OCD then perhaps you may not find it ok. Imo, nowhere near as bad as the example MoosicPA posted which would also drive me nuts.

 

Planning to bring this along a long trip so another 10 wears and plenty of walking/scuffing expected.

 

Let me know if I should move this to another thread for discussion.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

post #5198 of 6163
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Originally Posted by NewStart View Post

I am not sure if I can agree with this opinion though. Obviously, customers are paying the price for not doing their homework (not that there was much information available until the issue is brought up recently though), but as business owner if you tell your customers that it is their problems, not yours, i doubt that the business will last very long.

When issue is identified, i think it is best to acknowledge and fix it, not to hide away from it.

Couldnt agree more.
For a company that theoretically only makes 1500 pairs a year that means that the russian leather accounts for very few pairs overall.
Clearly there is a quality problem as there are a handful of people that have already mentioned this problem on this thread alone (i dont know how many other have had this issue, maybe none but probably not).
While quality issues are less tolerated when you are selling 1500 USD shoes, they can happen, as no one is perfect.
However burying your head in the sand and pretending is not there is the biggest problem here. Thats unacceptable an unacceptable business practice when you are trying to sell luxury goods. You need to be willing to stand behind your products and try to fix the problem.

Also when people post "hey my pair looks fine" that does not mean there is no problem at all, it just means that probably not every pair is defective or has an issue. But even if a few have a problem (like Moosic) thats too much at this price range and taking into account how few Russian leather shoes StCs makes a year.

But again the biggest issue here is the unwillingness to admit there is an issue in the first place
post #5199 of 6163
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Originally Posted by coldinboston View Post


Couldnt agree more.
For a company that theoretically only makes 1500 pairs a year that means that the russian leather accounts for very few pairs overall.
Clearly there is a quality problem as there are a handful of people that have already mentioned this problem on this thread alone (i dont know how many other have had this issue, maybe none but probably not).
While quality issues are less tolerated when you are selling 1500 USD shoes, they can happen, as no one is perfect.
However burying your head in the sand and pretending is not there is the biggest problem here. Thats unacceptable an unacceptable business practice when you are trying to sell luxury goods. You need to be willing to stand behind your products and try to fix the problem.

Also when people post "hey my pair looks fine" that does not mean there is no problem at all, it just means that probably not every pair is defective or has an issue. But even if a few have a problem (like Moosic) thats too much at this price range and taking into account how few Russian leather shoes StCs makes a year.

But again the biggest issue here is the unwillingness to admit there is an issue in the first place

 

Agreed

post #5200 of 6163
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Originally Posted by Solari View Post

Agreed

My point was not that I don't see the issue - I had exactly the same experience with my chukkas. It definitely has made me think twice about ordering another pair in this leather. I simply wanted to say that in my experience it is something that can be fixed with a thorough polish

R-O-T
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^^^^ Holy crap does that pic ever fill me with want!

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Only Russian calf has problem, it seems like hit or miss, other than that very happy with all my stcrispin.
post #5204 of 6163
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Originally Posted by R.O. Thornhill View Post

Made some off these comments in the shoe porn thread as well but may make sense to repeat myself. I have a pair of Russia leather chukkas and they had the same type of wear that many hear experienced. Uneven colouring and so on.

Did, however, find that it can be totally remedied through a good polishing. This picture is the "after",
Afraid I have no "before" picture

R-O-T



I agree with this sentiment. I find the Russian finish to be delicate and easy to scuff but it can be worked with. Here's a recent photo of mine in lowlight. It's still possible to see the previous scuffs and other marks but they're not a lost cause.

Also I did mention this to the owner at a trunk show last fall and he acknowledged that the results using the leather weren't optimal.
post #5205 of 6163
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Only Russian calf has problem, it seems like hit or miss, other than that very happy with all my stcrispin.

FUN leather sucks as much.

I'm just a customer not vendor and has no skin in their game.
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