Oh, there's definitely some fishy creasing going on with that black pair. They never should appear beyond the cap. Other than this, it's yet another beautiful pair from Romania. I wonder who trained their workforce about a decade ago...or if the country had talent and cordwainer schools all along.
Oh, there's definitely some fishy creasing going on with that black pair.
I would urge everyone who finds such creasing abhorrent to really sit down and think about the mechanics of how a shoe is made and how it functions. In an ideal world no one wants creasing...anywhere...but especially beyond the toe cap.
But the foot has to finds its place in the shoe and then the shoe has to move with the foot.
If the vamp point of the shoe is moved "back," in order to maintain a certain harmony of proportion the toe cap has to get longer--it has to move back accordingly. And the chances of creasing beyond the edge of the toe cap increase accordingly.* I suspect that if someone did a study of old line, classic British shoes with their notoriously short toe caps compared to more contemporarily styled shoes, one would find that the older, more fuddy-duddy looking shoes crease forward of the toe cap significantly less.
But there are other reasons a shoe will crease forward of the edge of the toe cap...
If the foot is too long in the shoe--some people have long toes; or if the shoe is misfit, the toe cap will tend to crease.
If there is little or no toe spring creases will be created from the joint/treadline as far forward as the toe stiffener and the need for the foot to flex and push off the large toe require and allow--IOW,more creases further forward are likely.
And if the toe stiffener is not set back enough, or is too thin/weak the chances of the toe creasing are increased. On the other hand, if the toe stiffener is set too far back it will tend to bite into the toes as the shoe walks. And in most cases, especially with double curved, "peaked" toe caps, the cap is already further back on the shoe than the toe stiffener can be placed without causing problems for the foot.
If you want to minimize the chances of creasing forward of the toe cap limit your choices to straight toe caps. I suspect that's the one and only surefire solution.
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*I've got even money that when the shoes depicted in posts 2215 and 2216 in this thread are broken in, they will both crease beyond the edge of the toe cap.
I think there's too much fuss about creasing and the toe cap. To some degree I think this idea is made up by people on the internet. Shoes crease, if they are comfortable, so what? Fwiw, I have never owned any shoes that didn't crease in the cap. I don't think it's endemic to Saint Crispins. I do have toes that kind of "curl" making them somewhat shorter, maybe that's the issue.