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post #1831 of 2628
My next pair comes with topy, it prolongs the life of your sole by 3 to 5 times, and I don't find a worn leather sole any more appealing than leather.
post #1832 of 2628
Why not use full dainite sole then?
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Anyone who's against rubber sole or topy has not been in tropical weathers; any leather sole will get irreversible water damage under those conditions with water sipped from the sole all the way into insole and upper. None of those storm welt or Norwegian construction will help.

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My next pair comes with topy, it prolongs the life of your sole by 3 to 5 times, and I don't find a worn leather sole any more appealing than leather.

Edited by ThinkDerm - 3/17/14 at 1:11am
post #1833 of 2628
Because they don't come in dainite and full rubber from St Crispins is a lot thicker.
post #1834 of 2628
With all the talk of museum calf lately have me thinking about asking Stc to make me a pair with it, anyone have any experiences so far?
post #1835 of 2628
Karl won't able to hand finish it, I guess that is why EG and G&G don't offer it as well.
post #1836 of 2628
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Karl won't able to hand finish it, I guess that is why EG and G&G don't offer it as well.

I can imagine Karl will be disappointed when he won't able to hand finished the shoes for you he has to polish the sole and edges which he has done to my suede shoes to the past smile.gif.
post #1837 of 2628
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Why not use full dainite soul then?

Danite isn't an option for many makers unless its MTO.

And I do resole many used shoes with danite for use in inclement weathers.
post #1838 of 2628
Danite, Vibram "Fineline," Topy, and a slew of other products do have utility even if only in the minds of the consumer.

I can understand the apparent necessity in tropical environments...I don't live in a tropical environment although when I began my career I lived right on the fringes of a "three canopy rain forest."

But I have to question the logic...just a little...of wearing any leather in a tropical environment. If you're getting that much rain a Topy half sole isn't going to prevent the rest of the outsole from soaking water in the waist, or along the edges. Nor is it going to prevent the heel from getting soaked. Or the upper--vamps counters quarters--for that matter.

And if you've got showers or downpour every afternoon, your shoes aren't going to dry out overnight either.

If you've got that much rain, the logic suggests that using leather in any part of the shoe is counter-intuitive if not counter-productive. But then, I suspect that logic aside, "utility" is like beauty--in the eye of the beholder.

Just my 2¢...
post #1839 of 2628
Tropical weather doesn't require rain coat for everyday wear and certainly does not preclude leather soles.

But rubber sole provides as much utility as leather in those conditions, if one has to keep his toes covered.
post #1840 of 2628
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Danite, Vibram "Fineline," Topy, and a slew of other products do have utility even if only in the minds of the consumer.

I can understand the apparent necessity in tropical environments...I don't live in a tropical environment although when I began my career I lived right on the fringes of a "three canopy rain forest."

But I have to question the logic...just a little...of wearing any leather in a tropical environment. If you're getting that much rain a Topy half sole isn't going to prevent the rest of the outsole from soaking water in the waist, or along the edges. Nor is it going to prevent the heel from getting soaked. Or the upper--vamps counters quarters--for that matter.

And if you've got showers or downpour every afternoon, your shoes aren't going to dry out overnight either.

If you've got that much rain, the logic suggests that using leather in any part of the shoe is counter-intuitive if not counter-productive. But then, I suspect that logic aside, "utility" is like beauty--in the eye of the beholder.

Just my 2¢...

We just try to compromise, historically we will wear the equivalent of slipper most of the time..., not the most elegant solution with suits yea?

I grew up in Taiwan, if there is a real down pour, you just won't wear the same shoe next day, it won't get dried in a day even if you stuff newspaper in it. That goes with sneaker/leather shoes
post #1841 of 2628
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post


Anyone who's against rubber sole or topy has not been in tropical weathers; any leather sole will get irreversible water damage under those conditions with water sipped from the sole all the way into insole and upper. None of those storm welt or Norwegian construction will help.

 

 

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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

My next pair comes with topy, it prolongs the life of your sole by 3 to 5 times, and I don't find a worn leather sole any more appealing than leather.


Agreed.

post #1842 of 2628
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post

We just try to compromise, historically we will wear the equivalent of slipper most of the time..., not the most elegant solution with suits yea?

I grew up in Taiwan, if there is a real down pour, you just won't wear the same shoe next day, it won't get dried in a day even if you stuff newspaper in it. That goes with sneaker/leather shoes

That was my experience as well.
post #1843 of 2628
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post


We just try to compromise, historically we will wear the equivalent of slipper most of the time..., not the most elegant solution with suits yea?

I grew up in Taiwan, if there is a real down pour, you just won't wear the same shoe next day, it won't get dried in a day even if you stuff newspaper in it. That goes with sneaker/leather shoes

 

The experience is the same across SE Asia as well.  And even with newspaper, its highly likely going to get mold.

post #1844 of 2628
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The Corthay half topied sole.


Very nice sole.

post #1845 of 2628
Sorry, but in my opinion, this is an example of "fool's gold."

One of the putative attractions of Topy is that if it is mounted correctly and at the proper time...and if it is "caught" immediately as it wears through...it can be replaced over and over again without disturbing the original outsole. Of course, the reality is often not so sublime...bordering on "penny wise and pound foolish" in most cases...but that's the theory, at least.

An outsole such as pictured above...with an inlaid forepart...doesn't even offer the hope of that somewhat illusory economy.

When the inlay, or more likely the leather margins, wear down the whole outsole will need to be replaced--forcing the customer to send the shoe back to the factory (a dependency not too dissimilar to drug addiction) and/or (probably both) pay a premium, above and beyond the cost of a even a "normal" outsole with a Topy overlay...all in order to duplicate the original outsole.
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