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The fact should also be included that these shoes are MTO with no up-charge and trees included.

 

You wanna do MTO + trees in any other RTW quality maker (EG, G&G, Lobb Paris, etc.)...its going to cost in the same ball park once all said and done with significant upcharges for the service.

 

Corthay RTW is priced similarly to StC and there is a significant upcharge for any MTO specs.

 

So I'd say StC is very much within a reasonable price range compared with other top-of-the-line RTW/MTO competitors.

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The fact should also be included that these shoes are MTO with no up-charge and trees included.

 

You wanna do MTO + trees in any other RTW quality maker (EG, G&G, Lobb Paris, etc.)...its going to cost in the same ball park once all said and done with significant upcharges for the service.

 

Corthay RTW is priced similarly to StC and there is a significant upcharge for any MTO specs.

 

So I'd say StC is very much within a reasonable price range compared with other top-of-the-line RTW/MTO competitors.

Agreed.

 

 

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SC's finishing is also probably the best I've ever seen -- sure, JLP and EG and G&G bespoke make great shoes, but SC probably has the best "wow" factor in terms of post-production finishing and general presentation. the only thing i'm disappointed with is the flimsy cardboard shoe box. 

post #1548 of 2761
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the only thing i'm disappointed with is the flimsy cardboard shoe box. 

 

Haha, I must agree with you on this one. The construction of the box could be better. Though I do appreciate the detailed and hand-written labels that are placed on the box.

 

But the shoes and their quality and the trees and their quality are amazing. Even the shoe dust-bags are very nice..

 

Just that damned box could be a bit better.

 

But its nit-picking at most...

post #1549 of 2761
St C is being referenced as RTW, MTO and bespoke, it seems they can make all of them happen for the same price of 1700. Amazing.
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St C is being referenced as RTW, MTO and bespoke, it seems they can make all of them happen for the same price of 1700. Amazing.

 

They were a bespoke shop before they branch out to RTW/MTO, ya?

 

And its RTW/MTO.  Their bespoke offering is much higher at $4000s AFAIK, and at that price theres no way I would use them.

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They were a bespoke shop before they branch out to RTW/MTO, ya?

And its RTW/MTO.  Their bespoke offering is much higher at $4000s AFAIK, and at that price theres no way I would use them.
$4k's would be too high for me as well.
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Agreed.



SC's finishing is also probably the best I've ever seen -- sure, JLP and EG and G&G bespoke make great shoes, but SC probably has the best "wow" factor in terms of post-production finishing and general presentation. the only thing i'm disappointed with is the flimsy cardboard shoe box. 

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Haha, I must agree with you on this one. The construction of the box could be better. Though I do appreciate the detailed and hand-written labels that are placed on the box.

But the shoes and their quality and the trees and their quality are amazing. Even the shoe dust-bags are very nice..

Just that damned box could be a bit better.

But its nit-picking at most...

Shoe boxes, really people? I know it is a nit, but I can't help but grumble when I buy shoes and the box is fancy. Frankly, I don't want to pay for a fancy shoe box, put that extra money into the product itself.

I think it is strange you guys don't like their boxes though, actually my St. Crispins shoe boxes are the only shoe boxes I have ever kept. They look just has rustic as their shoes. Has a kind of "natural" feel to them rather than manufactured. Plus the calligraphy with the model, leather, finish, and your name is a really personal touch.
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

They were a bespoke shop before they branch out to RTW/MTO, ya?

And its RTW/MTO.  Their bespoke offering is much higher at $4000s AFAIK, and at that price theres no way I would use them.

I wonder if their bespoke shoes have hand stitched soles. Apparently they use this old hand crank sewing contraption to do their mainline, but I know most makers hand stitch the soles. FWIW, I don't think $4k is unreasonable for bespoke shoes. It just feels a bit too rich for my blood. Philip himself has mentioned to me that he thinks in terms of getting a good fit from their shoes with all of the other adjustments it is largely unnecessary.
post #1553 of 2761
The average at best shoe box won't bother me a bit when mine finally arrive, but I can see why some might wish for a box that was a bit more spiffy.

What does bespoke G&G run price wise? Can't be too far off the $4k mark can it?
post #1554 of 2761
I'm honestly not sure. I was under the impression it was more than $4k.
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Originally Posted by emiristol View Post
 

Agreed.

 

 

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SC's finishing is also probably the best I've ever seen -- sure, JLP and EG and G&G bespoke make great shoes, but SC probably has the best "wow" factor in terms of post-production finishing and general presentation. the only thing i'm disappointed with is the flimsy cardboard shoe box. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by PCK1 View Post
 

 

Haha, I must agree with you on this one. The construction of the box could be better. Though I do appreciate the detailed and hand-written labels that are placed on the box.

 

But the shoes and their quality and the trees and their quality are amazing. Even the shoe dust-bags are very nice..

 

Just that damned box could be a bit better.

 

But its nit-picking at most...

haha!  so it's not just me!

post #1556 of 2761
I feel 4k for bespoke SC is expensive exactly because other bespoke maker are not far from the mark and produces better shoes.
post #1557 of 2761
Does anyone here have examples of St. C. bespoke? I have never seen a pair (didn't know they existed, frankly) so I am not in a position to judge much less make direct comparisons to other bespoke makers.
post #1558 of 2761
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

I feel 4k for bespoke SC is expensive exactly because other bespoke maker are not far from the mark and produces better shoes.

How do we know this?
post #1559 of 2761
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

They were a bespoke shop before they branch out to RTW/MTO, ya?

And its RTW/MTO.  Their bespoke offering is much higher at $4000s AFAIK, and at that price theres no way I would use them.

Point was St C was compared as a bespoke shoe against other bespokes when in essence it is a RTW/MTO.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

Does anyone here have examples of St. C. bespoke? I have never seen a pair (didn't know they existed, frankly) so I am not in a position to judge much less make direct comparisons to other bespoke makers.

I don't have any St. Crispin's bespokes, but the quality of my MTO St Crispin's is comparable to my bespoke shoes. Often the finishing is better and the stitching, neater.

Personally I would not use St. Crispin's for bespoke simply because they likely do not have the fitting and last making process perfected to the same level as other, more established (read- high volume) bespoke makers.
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