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Originally Posted by michaelvl View Post

Way too much circle jerking here on SF. This is a forum setup to share knowledge and opinions about menswear, their should be room for positive and the negative opinions. Keep it real and express your thoughts, thats is part what a forum is for.

Really? Nowadays most of these threads consist of spam by vendors and people affiliated with them. Why should they be interested in honest exchange? They want to sell and pay to have their stuff advertised on the forum. When I check the forum and see 20 posts by Gianni Cerutti gratulating people on their puchases I can't help but laugh. This place has become a shadow of it's former shit self. The only bright spark recently was the thread by mafoofan about his Cleverley shoes.
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Originally Posted by AlexG33 View Post

De gustibus non est disputandum

This.
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To each his own...

 

Let's get this thread back on track.

 

Anyone going to the trunk show at Leffot?

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Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post

Really? Nowadays most of these threads consist of spam by vendors and people affiliated with them. Why should they be interested in honest exchange? They want to sell and pay to have their stuff advertised on the forum. When I check the forum and see 20 posts by Gianni Cerutti gratulating people on their puchases I can't help but laugh. This place has become a shadow of it's former shit self. The only bright spark recently was the thread by mafoofan about his Cleverley shoes.
where is the thread?
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Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post

Really? Nowadays most of these threads consist of spam by vendors and people affiliated with them. Why should they be interested in honest exchange? They want to sell and pay to have their stuff advertised on the forum. When I check the forum and see 20 posts by Gianni Cerutti congratulating people on their purchases.

Indeed that's why I have moved on to communicating via private messages. Really there is too much spam.

On the other hand I still do not understand why people are so willing to spend up to $1700 for Saint Crispin shoes when for a little less than that they could have fully bespoke shoes from E Vogel?
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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post

Also - does anyone know how much StC is charging for bespoke calf shoes? They list the option on their website - I have never been able to get away with MTO simply on sizing.

Do they offer fully bespoke shoes? I was under impression that they only offer last modifications but not bespoke shoes.
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Originally Posted by laufer View Post


On the other hand I still do not understand why people are so willing to spend up to $1700 for Saint Crispin shoes when for a little less than that they could have fully bespoke shoes from E Vogel?
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Marketing, hype and snob value.
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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

Do they offer fully bespoke shoes? I was under impression that they only offer last modifications but not bespoke shoes.

http://www.saintcrispins.com/service/bespoke/

I saw it on this link..
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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

Indeed that's why I have moved on to communicating via private messages. Really there is too much spam.

On the other hand I still do not understand why people are so willing to spend up to $1700 for Saint Crispin shoes when for a little less than that they could have fully bespoke shoes from E Vogel?
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Not quite sure you can get the same level of construction and finish from Vogel - but i have no experience with Vogel - never stopped in to see them. I'd be interested in hearing about your experience re: Vogel. If i recall correctly, the reviews on SF and AAAC have been mixed to negative but the sample size is pretty small.
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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post

Not quite sure you can get the same level of construction and finish from Vogel - but i have no experience with Vogel - never stopped in to see them. I'd be interested in hearing about your experience re: Vogel. If i recall correctly, the reviews on SF and AAAC have been mixed to negative but the sample size is pretty small.

I do not have experience with E Vogel, I just think that it makes sense to go for bespoke shoes if you have a bespoke maker in your own backyard. I do have experience with Maftei bespoke shoes. The construction wise they are well built. I have been wearing them through snow, they have taken beating on more than one occasion and they held up very well. They were a few hundred $$ less than what St. Crispin charges.

P.S. I committed Style Forum sin, I ordered bespoke shoes in black calf color.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post

http://www.saintcrispins.com/service/bespoke/

I saw it on this link..

I stand corrected. I did not know about this.
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Originally Posted by sstomcat View Post

Marketing, hype and snob value.

You can buy full bespoke AH shoes in Vienna for less than $1700 - Maftei is a very good example - but you really need to travel to Vienna. You can buy Vass RTW in Budapest for MUCH less than $1700 but they don't do trunkshows and have a very small presence in the US.

I think the advantage to StC, you can find a Leffot, Leathersoul, Leatherfoot, etc that can help you dial in your StC fit, give you styling advice and advocate on your behalf for any ordering mishaps, etc. And honestly, their marketing is really fantastic - the styles and lasts they profile online and in trunkshows are really in tune with what a lot of men like these days (myself included). Phillip is really crushing it - I think he charges too much for MTO but he's getting what EG and AS are charging and people seem to be really happy with the fit. Whatever he is doing - it's working.

Perhaps Vogel can do the same thing - I've always been underwhelmed by their website and styling examples.

http://vogelboots.com/shoes.asp

Maftei did a trunkshow in NYC in January but the timing was bad - basically in the middle of a snowstorm. They didn't linkup with a retailer in NY - did it in a hotel suite. I don't think it was well planned and they missed an opportunity.. Hope they come back again.
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$1700 for:

Complete customization of shoe
Hand last
Customized last to your foot, not bespoke but pretty close
Delivery in 8-10 weeks
Solid hollow lasted trees
No time invested outside of 30 minutes at retailer

Outside of NYC hard to get access to other shoe makers with this level of service / customization. My last EG MTO was $1350 and that was Skoaktie price. Trees were $115 or so extra so looking at $1450 total with no last customization and limited options with MTO. John Lobb mto is more. Vass would be nice to get last modified mto but you aren't in budapest that often.


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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post

I agree with you - if you want pink boots then buy them - it's your decision. MTO gives you virtually endless choices and if money isn't a concern, then spend away. I don't want to tell YOU how to spend your money. But again - I hope you don't buy pink StC boots.

However, you can't underestimate the influence that these threads have on SF members and other guys just searching the web for "St. Crispin Shoes." If every comment on the thread is simply "congrats, stupendous, beautiful, lovely, awesome, great decision, etc," then there's not much value to a reader who is looking for guidance to help influence a purchase (regardless of cost). There are guys here who are putting away cash for their first MTO purchase and they're probably checking out a few different brands, styles, lasts, sizes, etc. They're agonizing over making the 'right' decision on what will be major purchase. I want them to hear my opinion, and more importantly, I want them to hear the opinion of someone far more experienced than me. The guy owns 20 pairs of MTO and bespoke shoes and has dealt with G&G, Cleverley, EG, Lobb, StC, Corthay etc can provide A LOT of value. But there needs to be some more 2-way flow - IMO, on this thread, we tend to appreciate a bit too much.

I'll take your advice and shift the tone of my critical posts - I think I can certainly get my point across in a more helpful and constructive way. But I will continue to 'keep it real' and would encourage others to do the same.

Also - does anyone know how much StC is charging for bespoke calf shoes? They list the option on their website - I have never been able to get away with MTO simply on sizing.

Yes this is true but posting shoes are ugly doesn't add any value to forum neither, it's just being an ass

If you wanted people to give you feedback I'm pretty sure plenty of people would give you their experiences and as laufer said there's been a good amount of discussion over these topics in PM
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Originally Posted by sstomcat View Post

Marketing, hype and snob value.

Really? And I thought the snobs were the bespoke elitists scoffing at St. Crispin's as overhyped junk?

I for one am not willing to generalize that bespoke always means better quality. I'd have to look at a specific $1700 bespoke shoe next to a St. Crispin's and see if that particular shoe exhibited better design, construction, materials and finish for the money.
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Originally Posted by sstomcat View Post

Marketing, hype and snob value.

 

 

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post


Really? And I thought the snobs were the bespoke elitists scoffing at St. Crispin's as overhyped junk?

I for one am not willing to generalize that bespoke always means better quality. I'd have to look at a specific $1700 bespoke shoe next to a St. Crispin's and see if that particular shoe exhibited better design, construction, materials and finish for the money.

 

   did he say tripe or did I misread ?

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