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Originally Posted by AlexG33 View Post

new arraival, leather and tweed on screwdriver last

These are quite ugly
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

wurger I have the opposite experience. Might just be different uppers but my StC chukkas have required zero break in time and may well be the most comfortable pair I have aside from my Corthay Arcas.

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One of the prettiest StC's I've seen...
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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post


These are quite ugly

 

De gustibus non est disputandum

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absolutely gorgeous! once they arrive, can you please post side by side photos with the chisel last?

 

yes sir!  will do. :D 

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De gustibus non est disputandum
I concur 100%...

But I think we should be respectful and not necessarily polite on this forum.

I wouldn't wear those boots nor would most men on this forum (at any price point). I hope the owner enjoys wearing them - I'm sure they were carefully selected and are lovingly maintained. And I believe in my heart that they are very well constructed.
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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post

I concur 100%...

But I think we should be respectful and not necessarily polite on this forum.

I wouldn't wear those boots nor would most men on this forum (at any price point). I hope the owner enjoys wearing them - I'm sure they were carefully selected and are lovingly maintained. And I believe in my heart that they are very well constructed.

Then why post they are ugly?
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Then why post they are ugly?

I think you'll find my post above an adequate follow-up to my ugly post. I think they're ugly - but I respect that he thinks they are beautiful. We simply disagree.

I think the knee-jerk reaction on this thread is to immediately compliment rather than critique. Lot's of money flying around for StC RTW and MTO - I think we should have a more critical eye. It's helpful in decision making.

In general - I've been very impressed with what I've seen in this thread and others. I really think this is an up and coming shoe-maker...
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I guess people have different opinions on what constitutes respectful vs. polite. From my point of view, telling someone there shoes are ugly shows neither a respectful nor polite opinion. Qualifying your statement with the fact that you know in your heart that they are well made does not make it any more respectful. A respectful response would have been those aren't your cup of tea or something of the like.
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Originally Posted by Mike147 View Post

I think you'll find my post above an adequate follow-up to my ugly post. I think they're ugly - but I respect that he thinks they are beautiful. We simply disagree.

I think the knee-jerk reaction on this thread is to immediately compliment rather than critique. Lot's of money flying around for StC RTW and MTO - I think we should have a more critical eye. It's helpful in decision making.

In general - I've been very impressed with what I've seen in this thread and others. I really think this is an up and coming shoe-maker...

Not really. Why would your critical eye help us spend our money? People buy what makes them happy and if they are buying St. C price shouldn't be that big of a concern. If someone likes the style then they can get it. Your opinion isn't really relevant to someone who already bought the boots. If I wanted to buy a hot pink simply, you telling me it's ugly is not going to change anything
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I guess people have different opinions on what constitutes respectful vs. polite. From my point of view, telling someone there shoes are ugly shows neither a respectful nor polite opinion. Qualifying your statement with the fact that you know in your heart that they are well made does not make it any more respectful. A respectful response would have been those aren't your cup of tea or something of the like.
+1, but again why post in the first place?
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I think people are being overly sensitive here. I see nothing wrong with just keeping it real.
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One can indeed keep it quite real without being obnoxious.

Stevent and rc121 - spot on.
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

Not really. Why would your critical eye help us spend our money? People buy what makes them happy and if they are buying St. C price shouldn't be that big of a concern. If someone likes the style then they can get it. Your opinion isn't really relevant to someone who already bought the boots. If I wanted to buy a hot pink simply, you telling me it's ugly is not going to change anything
+1, but again why post in the first place?

I agree with you - if you want pink boots then buy them - it's your decision. MTO gives you virtually endless choices and if money isn't a concern, then spend away. I don't want to tell YOU how to spend your money. But again - I hope you don't buy pink StC boots.

However, you can't underestimate the influence that these threads have on SF members and other guys just searching the web for "St. Crispin Shoes." If every comment on the thread is simply "congrats, stupendous, beautiful, lovely, awesome, great decision, etc," then there's not much value to a reader who is looking for guidance to help influence a purchase (regardless of cost). There are guys here who are putting away cash for their first MTO purchase and they're probably checking out a few different brands, styles, lasts, sizes, etc. They're agonizing over making the 'right' decision on what will be major purchase. I want them to hear my opinion, and more importantly, I want them to hear the opinion of someone far more experienced than me. The guy owns 20 pairs of MTO and bespoke shoes and has dealt with G&G, Cleverley, EG, Lobb, StC, Corthay etc can provide A LOT of value. But there needs to be some more 2-way flow - IMO, on this thread, we tend to appreciate a bit too much.

I'll take your advice and shift the tone of my critical posts - I think I can certainly get my point across in a more helpful and constructive way. But I will continue to 'keep it real' and would encourage others to do the same.

Also - does anyone know how much StC is charging for bespoke calf shoes? They list the option on their website - I have never been able to get away with MTO simply on sizing.
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Well said, mike smile.gif
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Way too much circle jerking here on SF. This is a forum setup to share knowledge and opinions about menswear, their should be room for positive and the negative opinions. Keep it real and express your thoughts, thats is part what a forum is for.
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1) I don't particularly care for that style of shoe / that combination of materials and colours.

2) Those shoes are fugly and you must be blind or stupid - possibly both - to have purchased them.

Both are negative opinions. One is obnoxious. The other is not. Nobody has suggested that it is inherently inappropriate to express a negative opinion. But there's no need to be an asshat.
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