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post #1 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:13pm
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Hi guys,

I talked to Ted, the CTO of the Huddler, for a good part of an hour just now, and we addressed a few of the most common concerns that a lot of users seem to have.

1) Excessive white space

There are a few ways to address this, but could some of you help me out, go to "preferences" under the thread title in any thread, and chick "Yes" on Hide avatars and Hide signatures, and tell me how much that improves readability?

One of the easiest ways to decrease white space is to decrease the avatar size.
We are also talking about removing extra lines before and after quotes.

2) Slow response time - a lot of resources are devoted to making the site faster, but one small script may be causing some unintended consequences. Ted is actively looking into that issue now.

On an unrelated note, we are going to be tweaking the B&S system. J has already addressed this elsewhere, but just to reiterate, the B&S system is brand new, embryonic, really, and we are tweaking the rules and requirements as well as the seller tier structure to make this work.

Cheers,

Fok.

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post #2 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:17pm

Hiding avatars helps as it gets rid of the gaps/white space created by the picture size.

 

Also the one item per sales thread ends up defeating the purpose of bumping...when someone with 20 items simultaneously bumps them it takes over the entire front page...

 

Is there a spell check for post? I know a red line appears when things are misspelled but right clicking it doesn't give correct options.

post #3 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by eztantz View Post

Hiding avatars helps as it gets rid of the gaps/white space created by the picture size.

But still leaves tons of unnecessary vertical whitespace in case that was not clear. Consider all the vertical whitespace in this post as exhibit A.
post #4 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:31pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eztantz View Post

Hiding avatars helps as it gets rid of the gaps/white space created by the picture size.

 

Also the one item per sales thread ends up defeating the purpose of bumping...when someone with 20 items simultaneously bumps them it takes over the entire front page...

 

Is there a spell check for post? I know a red line appears when things are misspelled but right clicking it doesn't give correct options.

We are actively addressing the issues with B&S. It is the newest part of this system, built expressly for us, and there are going to be a lot of tweaks before we are happy with it.
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But still leaves tons of unnecessary vertical whitespace in case that was not clear. Consider all the vertical whitespace in this post as exhibit A.
Agreed. As I said in my first post, we are working on that as well.
post #5 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

We are actively addressing the issues with B&S. It is the newest part of this system, built expressly for us, and there are going to be a lot of tweaks before we are happy with it.

Agreed. As I said in my first post, we are working on that as well.

As an fyi (1600x1200 monitor res) with sigs and avatars disabled, your post alone took up ~75% of my available screen space. Granted I have a bookmarks toolbar and tab bar open, but the font schema and excess padding and spacing in the CSS files are disproportionate.
post #6 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:54pm

Hi Fok, here's a data point for you. I have always had avatars turned off and also turned off the the signatures. I boxed the white space I think you can get rid of. It almost looks like there's 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 lines of space between everything. On the top/bottom it seems like instead of being flush there is extra space also. Usually I don't think this would be "such" a big deal normally, but due to the adds being vertical and taking up so much room, it compounds the issue of bad formatting.

 

FYI, the picture is my full screen of what I see (2 posts at a time if they are small), tons of scrolling. That is in Google Chrome 12.0.742.122 running on a laptop, resolution 1366 x 768 (highest I can go)

 

The spell check is the "ABC button" with the check mark under it. It would be super awesome if you could just right click on a word to bring up the spell check, like in Microsoft office (but I know there are 100 other things to get done first)

 

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Also just tried to use the "ctrl + scroll down" to make the screen "smaller" on a PC, not sure if this works on a Mac also, but when I did that everything got messed up and hangs off the page to the left side.

 

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post #7 of 15
7/21/11 at 2:58pm
Both turned off . . . but I can still see sigs (FF, Addblock, Mac), and there is still a grip of white space.

edit: actually I can't see my sig but can see the FS items in Eztanz's and dah's sig.

Just a thought, but a slightly darker shade of white might help with the "whiteout" effect. Right now a lot of the color on the forum looks a bit washed out and kind of pastel for lack of a better word.
post #8 of 15
7/21/11 at 5:59pm

I took some time to photoshop what my ideal new styleforum B&S would look like. The first picture is a screen shot of my laptop screen and then the same photo I modified. Here are my suggestions for spacing if we are stuck with the adds on the right and also ideas for the new setup

 

As you can see, here is what I did:

 

1) Got rid of some of the blue space on either side, down from about 1" to 1/2".

2) Got rid of the pictures (maybe this can be an on/off option like getting rid of the avatars)

     - This gives you more room so the entire subject line can fit on one line. Limit the amount of characters for the subject line to ONLY be one line of text. You can see how this works in the first add by moving the word "buttons" up you pick up an entire line.

3) Got rid of the "sample of whats in this thread line" (under the posted date/time and user/feedback.

    - What my idea would be is to have a hover over, when you have you mouse over the subject line, of the add a picture and/or that first line of information comes up. 

4) For Sale / For Sale or Trade is moved up slightly (there might need to be a little more white space between all of the listings so people can read them easier, just did this quick)

5) The price is great if you have one item, but when you have multiple items, have it say "Lot". This could be a button you check mark when you are doing your posting instead of entering a price

6) Added "Replies" next to the views. IMO this is one major thing missing from the new B&S

 

I just moved everything up, got rid of the stuff you don't "need" and was able to from 6.5 listings per page to estimating 12? (maybe more, maybe less, but a lot better IMO) all while keeping the adds on the right hand side.

 

CURRENT B&S

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NEW IDEA

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post #9 of 15
7/25/11 at 6:02pm
Fok-

Did you talk about forwarding PMs?
post #10 of 15
7/25/11 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by alliswell View Post

Fok-

Did you talk about forwarding PMs?

Not yet. For the time being, we will be tightening up the visuals, including in B&S, where listings should take up about 1/2 of the vertical spacing that they do now. We are also working on B&S at the same time, both fixing the bugs and making it more SF friendly.

After the high priority items are done, we will fix bugs, then talk more about new features.

Improving load speeds on all browsers is an ongoing project.

Cheers,

Fok.
post #11 of 15
7/25/11 at 7:18pm
As I posted in another thread, loading is all Javascript issues. Huddler just needs to remove all the insane Javascript effects and make the reply function work without Javascript. For a site to be so dependent on Javascript just to function is crazy.
post #12 of 15
7/26/11 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Uncontrol View Post

As I posted in another thread, loading is all Javascript issues. Huddler just needs to remove all the insane Javascript effects and make the reply function work without Javascript. For a site to be so dependent on Javascript just to function is crazy.

Agreed. Writing responses does not need load screens and dimming graphics/CSS/JS. Especially when they are 3rd party scripts being executed from 3rd party websites.
post #13 of 15
8/4/11 at 8:01pm
Hiding sigs and avatars did not seem to do a lot for me. FWIW.
post #14 of 15
8/4/11 at 10:05pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alliswell View Post

Fok-

Did you talk about forwarding PMs?

This is now available. There is a a "Forward" button in the PM nav bar and underneath the reply box that will allow you to forward to your heart's content.
post #15 of 15
8/4/11 at 10:24pm

Java reply boxes make baby Jesus murder kittens

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