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are you clearing out the BB clearance outlet?

Not really. At times I may not have any items under a few of those categories.
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

What price should be put on a multi-item classified listing, if the individual items at different prices? $0? The price of the lowest? highest? total?

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Did you guys even to read the new B&S rules before asking a question?

 

Rule #6.  Please state your terms clearly.  A set price must be listed for items.  You may be open to offers, but a set price must be listed regardless.  If you have a multi-item listing, there must be at least one item at the price listed. AKA put the lowest priced item you have listed in the $ listing area, but at least one item must meet that price.

post #513 of 549
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Originally Posted by wj2009 View Post

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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
The counterargument is that because a megathread will get more views, sellers, under *any* system, would be incentivized to group items so that individual items also get more views.
I will sure search for the megathreads, if they are easy to spot. However if people selling 15 shirts or 15 ties each open 15 threads and keep bumping them with cheap membership, then megathreads will be buried. In the old system, these smart asses would have been disciplined. Not any more in the new system. Megathreads are certainly convenient to manage from sellers' perspective and that is a huge improvement of the newly twisted system. I just think megathreads may be disadvantaged to catch attentions with current setup. Just my 2c. BTW, thanks for all the hard work from SF team.

 

On suggestion, would be to include a "MEGA Megathread" check box on the listing page that sellers could click if they have over 20 or 25 items listed (only real mega threads apply, not the sissy 10 items ones tounge.gif). A special icon could be denoted on the thread listing page (like you have the bold text / yellow boxes for membership, maybe a red MEGA icon for megathreads or this guy -> Mushroom Mega Icon.jpg) and also a sorting feature to sort by megathread. This would pull all the checked marked "megathread" listings to the top pages 1, 2, 3, and make it easy for people who like to browse though megathreads to do so.

 

On a side note, SteveSmith, take a look at my new megathread. One really nice thing about these is that if you want to spend the time you can get really creative in regards to linking all of your adds together. Make that list you posted in this thread with links to each thread so people can jump around your threads quickly without going back and searching for them in the forum. In the old forum the threads would expire after time and you would need to update this list and links would be outdated, but in the new forum where for all intensive purposes your one Shirt add will live forever if you add more stuff to it as it sells the time/effort to set it up would be worthwhile.

 

On another side note, what is going to happen to megathreads after they are around a few months with all the sold items. Right now my shirt megathread has 50+ items in it, but to keep all the sold items (as per the rules), I need to hide them and put them at the bottom of the thread in a spoiler to not take up that much room. In a few months I'll still have 50+ shirts listed, lots of new ones I'm sure, and 20 or 30 sold items listed at the bottom just taking up dead space? This wasn't an issue with one item per listing but now the rules were updated but this rule if going to make megathreads annoying after a few months #5.  Please do not delete any information, including images or selling price, at any time, including when you close your thread.  Simply choose “close thread”.  If you have a multi-item listing, please merely put a highly visible “SOLD” beside the sold item

post #514 of 549
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I will sure search for the megathreads, if they are easy to spot. However if people selling 15 shirts or 15 ties each open 15 threads and keep bumping them with cheap membership, then megathreads will be buried. ...................................Megathreads are certainly convenient to manage from sellers' perspective and that is a huge improvement of the newly twisted system. I just think megathreads may be disadvantaged to catch attentions with current setup.

If the owners will give a definition to "megathread", 15 different items of the same category for example, and put that in the B&S rules, then sellers could put the word "megathread" in titles and buyers would not be pulled into faux megathread posts. Instantly searchable. If you want to get to my big threads immediately because you like to check them periodically, search "Brooks Megathread".

You are correct that a megathread is easier for a seller to manage, but it goes beyond that. While the system of a few days ago was OK for a seller who sells a few Kiton ties, it was completely unworkable for the seller who has, for example, Brooks Brothers Solid Repp Silk Ties in 8 colors. The seller wants to put those ties together with 2 photos, interested buyers want to see them together, and uninterested buyers certainly don't want the clutter of 8 posts of individual ties. Same with shirts.

I think this system as it is right now will be an improvement over the old B&S. Every user will have a few tweaks which he thinks will be an improvement, but too many tweaks will take the owners right back to where they were before, spending too much time making behind the scenes judgment calls in a Byzantine system.
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Did you guys even to read the new B&S rules before asking a question?

 

Rule #6.  Please state your terms clearly.  A set price must be listed for items.  You may be open to offers, but a set price must be listed regardless.  If you have a multi-item listing, there must be at least one item at the price listed. AKA put the lowest priced item you have listed in the $ listing area, but at least one item must meet that price.


Thanks. I actually read them and missed it.
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On another side note, what is going to happen to megathreads after they are around a few months with all the sold items. Right now my shirt megathread has 50+ items in it, but to keep all the sold items (as per the rules), I need to hide them and put them at the bottom of the thread in a spoiler to not take up that much room. In a few months I'll still have 50+ shirts listed, lots of new ones I'm sure, and 20 or 30 sold items listed at the bottom just taking up dead space? This wasn't an issue with one item per listing but now the rules were updated but this rule if going to make megathreads annoying after a few months


Good point. I like to put shirts in group shots of two or three of the same size, along with individual label shots of each shirt. When 1 shirt sells, I put ***SOLD*** beside that shirt's description. When all 3 sell, then I deleted the group. Your suggestion of using a boneyard hidden behind a "Spoiler" at the bottom of the page should work.

You were composing a post at the same time I was and we were both thinking of defining Megathread. Interesting.
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On another side note, what is going to happen to megathreads after they are around a few months with all the sold items. Right now my shirt megathread has 50+ items in it, but to keep all the sold items (as per the rules), I need to hide them and put them at the bottom of the thread in a spoiler to not take up that much room. In a few months I'll still have 50+ shirts listed, lots of new ones I'm sure, and 20 or 30 sold items listed at the bottom just taking up dead space? This wasn't an issue with one item per listing but now the rules were updated but this rule if going to make megathreads annoying after a few months
Good point. I like to put shirts in group shots of two or three of the same size, along with individual label shots of each shirt. When 1 shirt sells, I put ***SOLD*** beside that shirt's description. When all 3 sell, then I deleted the group. Your suggestion of using a boneyard hidden behind a "Spoiler" at the bottom of the page should work.

You were composing a post at the same time I was and we were both thinking of defining Megathread. Interesting.

GMTA!  Didn't think of the search idea as I never use the search as it frustrates me, but that would work if the rules were changed for "x" number of items to be called a Megathread, but I still like my Mario Mushroom icon idea or something similar (I know I know more backend work for Huddler.) Overall the new rules are a HUGE improvement IMO. Had one PM since the new rules went into effect a while ago and 3 already this morning.

 

In regards to the sold items, yup, spoiler will work, but I can see a few months down the road you having 20-30 spoilers at the bottom of the page. Maybe that's just the point where you close that thread and make a new one (instead of bumping it).

post #518 of 549
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There is. Just make people pay per bump! If you have 15 threads, it cost you 15 times more to bump them all than if you consolidate in one thread.

Not doable - it's been explained in this thread that a token system is difficult to create and administer. If you are willing to hand over a bag of $100 bills, I would be more than willing to make a token system which could be used for all sorts of purposes.
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Good point. I like to put shirts in group shots of two or three of the same size, along with individual label shots of each shirt. When 1 shirt sells, I put ***SOLD*** beside that shirt's description. When all 3 sell, then I deleted the group. Your suggestion of using a boneyard hidden behind a "Spoiler" at the bottom of the page should work.

You were composing a post at the same time I was and we were both thinking of defining Megathread. Interesting.

Of course, you can always close the thread and start a new one when you feel that it is becoming unmanageable. There is no need to keep a thread open in perpetuity. In fact, so people might like to see a new thread once in a while.
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Thanks guys. We are continuing to work on sprucing up the visuals and on speed. Yes, there were improvements made to the speed today, but obviously, we are not finished.

Brian, could I ask you a few off topic questions to get to the bottom of your speed problem?
1) What OS are you using?
2) What Browser and version are you using?
3) Do you have any adblocking on?

Cheers,

Fok.


Fok, running Windows Vista, using Fireforx 5.0 and tried it with adblocking on and off. Could not tell a difference. Here is a quick video. It takes approx 10 seconds to go from one page to another. When trying to post/edit my threads with lots of pictures, etc it's even slower.

 

Conducted a speed test right after at Speedtest.net. Approx 11 Mbps Download & 3.5 Mbps upload

 

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Trying to make a new classified, but the spoiler is missing, the pic is what i see.

pretty impossible for me to make a thread with a bunch of items and not have people looking through a gzillion pictures...

 

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post #521 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


Not doable - it's been explained in this thread that a token system is difficult to create and administer. If you are willing to hand over a bag of $100 bills, I would be more than willing to make a token system which could be used for all sorts of purposes.

I understand that as you explained. It is still possible to pay every time you want to bump a thread? It is a lot of work for one bump but it would encourages rational behaviors since sellers bears the cost.

The idea of a "megathread" filter raise by someone else is a good idea IMO.
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Originally Posted by wj2009 View Post

I understand that as you explained. It is still possible to pay every time you want to bump a thread? It is a lot of work for one bump but it would encourages rational behaviors since sellers bears the cost.
It's actually not possible. As an academic point, any system encourages rational behavior. You are actually referring to "desirable" behavior, with desirable being defined as "desirable to you."
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The idea of a "megathread" filter raise by someone else is a good idea IMO.

Absolutely impossible to implement or enforce. Here's the simplest example. Someone posts 25 suits for sale, and enters a "'megathread". What happens when they sell 20 of these suits?

Moreover, this would lead to a huge moderation burden. I'm not going to go into every thread and count the number of items. Correction. If you pay me $700/h, I will do so, and gladly. I charge chess clock hours.
post #523 of 549
Have had really pitifully reduced traffic to my postings, therefore less interest in my items. Will probably consider forgoing SF altogether in favor of (ugh) eBay, sadly enough. Not bitching to bitch, just popping in and indicating that the new scheme is not working at all for me (many items, variable pricing, many item types). My old threads would get hundreds of views, new ones are at a couple dozen. Hate to take my ballz elsewhere, hope things are sorted out here.
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It seems pretty obvious to me:

1) mega-threads are desirable to most people, buyers and sellers
2) a system that encourages and rewards mega-threads is desirable to most people as the result of #1. A system that merely allows mega-threads but makes them disadvantaged will force out mega-threads, which is undesirable to most people, which makes the system undesirable to most people.

The mods has every right to change the system to what is desirable to them, rather than what is desirable to the users. They sure will get the what they want, ie less administration work, especially if the traffic goes down.
post #525 of 549
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Originally Posted by ql1974 View Post

It seems pretty obvious to me:

1) mega-threads are desirable to most people, buyers and sellers
2) a system that encourages and rewards mega-threads is desirable to most people as the result of #1. A system that merely allows mega-threads but makes them disadvantaged will force out mega-threads, which is undesirable to most people, which makes the system undesirable to most people.

The mods has every right to change the system to what is desirable to them, rather than what is desirable to the users. They sure will get the what they want, ie less administration work, especially if the traffic goes down.

Posts like this are making me consider making bumps $20+ for the "bump once a day" permission, so that they are only desirable to megasellers. Is this what you guys want? Real talk.

Also, the new system was produced with the help of power sellers. We are going to give this new scheme some time. If it really doesn't work, it may just be closed down altogether, since I'm getting increasingly sick of listening to people complain about what is essentially a free system, where sellers can make a living, buyers get good deals, and we get a headache.

Fok.
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