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post #46 of 549
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Originally Posted by ruben View Post

Dumb question, but I can't find any of the information regarding costs to list, "tiers" , and how often bumps/price drops are allowed and other rules.

I see the guidelines that appear in the little drop-down menu on the B&S forum home page, but nothing about this other stuff.

http://www.styleforum.net/wiki/buy-sell-trade-premium-memberships
post #47 of 549
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Originally Posted by ruben View Post

Dumb question, but I can't find any of the information regarding costs to list, "tiers" , and how often bumps/price drops are allowed and other rules.

I see the guidelines that appear in the little drop-down menu on the B&S forum home page, but nothing about this other stuff.

Selling membership levels can be found at the bottom of the page under "Recent Articles." Or just click here:

Buy Sell Trade Premium Memberships
post #48 of 549
I'm by no means a major seller on Styleforum (I've sold ~50 items over the past year), but I've moved to eBay as well. The new format simply doesn't work.
post #49 of 549
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Originally Posted by tatecloths View Post


Selling membership levels can be found at the bottom of the page under "Recent Articles." Or just click here:

Buy Sell Trade Premium Memberships


Thans guys.

To be honest I've just kinda ignored all the front page stuff, the articles and reviews.

I'm sure I'll come around to them, but they're kinda SF's version of selling CD-ROMs.
post #50 of 549
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Originally Posted by AnGeLiCbOrIs View Post

I have not bothered with the new BS. The one item per thread limit is depressing and ebay has been going well. My margins are not big enough to support a separate post for each belt or seven fold tie. I feel like it is a big busy mess.

The only benefit I've seen so far is that you can copy listings straight out of ebay and the formatting stays the same.

We actually encourage this. You can post on both systems, and actually link your Ebay auction from your listing.

Also, you guys can list your own listings in a listing, if that makes any sense. OR you can list the other listings you'd be willing to make a lot our of.

Or you can list lots.

The system is in transition, and we are going to look at some of Spoo's suggestions. A lot of it is going to be adjustments in the rules that allow you to offer a lot of options while adhering to the transparent, one item, one listing, rule, which makes for much more manageable browsing.

BTW< can we keep talk about forum changes to the dedicated forum. I would really rather read about style on the MC forum.
post #51 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

The system is in transition, and we are going to look at some of Spoo's suggestions. A lot of it is going to be adjustments in the rules that allow you to offer a lot of options while adhering to the transparent, one item, one listing, rule, which makes for much more manageable browsing.

I understand that the one item, one listing rule makes for more manageable searching, using the new search facility, although I'm not so sure about more manageable browsing.

I do wonder, however, why someone can't list a number of similar items in the one thread.
As an example, I'm thinking of selling quite a few items in the near future - four pairs of shoes, about thirty shirts, ten suits and multiple ties.
Naturally enough, all of my shoes are the same size, all of my shirts are the same size, all of my suits are the same size (well, almost).

If a seller restricts themselves to listing, say, only shoes in one thread - especially if those shoes are the same size, for example - it would still make it easy to search the "classifieds" and it would also make it simpler and less time-consuming for sellers.

However, going by the new rules, I would have to open at least fifty threads to sell my things - a thread for each item. Whilst it might make it easier to search, that would surely clog up the forum and would be a great deal of trouble to prepare. Multi-item threads seem easier, particularly if they only involve one type of product.
post #52 of 549
i agree with the general sentiment - i was probably more active in B+S as a buyer than i have been on the mens clothing forum, but the new layout is terrible. comparisons to ebay have been kind, ebay is far more user freindly. also as has been noticed the prices have risen, making ebay often cheaper. it makes me sad. i feel the new layout in general is more sterile and as we all know sterile things cannot prosper
post #53 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


We actually encourage this. You can post on both systems, and actually link your Ebay auction from your listing.

Also, you guys can list your own listings in a listing, if that makes any sense. OR you can list the other listings you'd be willing to make a lot our of.

Or you can list lots.

The system is in transition, and we are going to look at some of Spoo's suggestions. A lot of it is going to be adjustments in the rules that allow you to offer a lot of options while adhering to the transparent, one item, one listing, rule, which makes for much more manageable browsing.

BTW< can we keep talk about forum changes to the dedicated forum. I would really rather read about style on the MC forum.
I would have never been aware of the problems discussed in this thread had it not existed here in MC. I have since performed a search but have not been able to locate a thread such as this on B & S. Perhaps if someone pinned it?

I patiently waited for my time to pass to begin selling some of the items I have obtained. I was about to dip my toe but now have no clue as to the best way to go about it. When the dust finally settles, I hope that someone or 'someones' will write a "how to" primer featuring some educational tips as to some best practices regarding what works and what doesn't.
post #54 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


We actually encourage this. You can post on both systems, and actually link your Ebay auction from your listing.

Also, you guys can list your own listings in a listing, if that makes any sense. OR you can list the other listings you'd be willing to make a lot our of.

Or you can list lots.

The system is in transition, and we are going to look at some of Spoo's suggestions. A lot of it is going to be adjustments in the rules that allow you to offer a lot of options while adhering to the transparent, one item, one listing, rule, which makes for much more manageable browsing.

BTW< can we keep talk about forum changes to the dedicated forum. I would really rather read about style on the MC forum.

I am sure someone can eventually to pool all the individual listing from one person into one thread, though not sure if it's ideal that way either, just a food for thought.

Side note. I am moving from UK back to Asia, what do you guys think is the best way to massive list items (25~30?). I don't mind paying fee, I just want to get rid off them (and for most likely cheap). I found listing one by one is really time consuming.
post #55 of 549
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post

what do you guys think is the best way to massive list items (25~30?). I don't mind paying fee, I just want to get rid off them (and for most likely cheap).

If you are my size, you can list them all in a PM smile.gif
post #56 of 549
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post


I am sure someone can eventually to pool all the individual listing from one person into one thread, though not sure if it's ideal that way either, just a food for thought.

Side note. I am moving from UK back to Asia, what do you guys think is the best way to massive list items (25~30?). I don't mind paying fee, I just want to get rid off them (and for most likely cheap). I found listing one by one is really time consuming.

Hmmm...

Well, we'll seriously consider this.

I probably shouldn't post this, since it's unlikely to be implemented (er... it's really expensive....) but one of the original ideas we had (and honestly, would be to have a thread system, where you could actually "explode" a thread into a gallery view of individual items if it interested you (so, beside a thread there would be a "see all items", and you'd see the individual listings.

The system was never intended to make money, at least not in this way. Instead, sellers would have had to register a paypal account (and so be verified) and they could buy units of credit. The listing fees would have been nominal ($0.05 or something per lisitng), and the expensive thing would have been bumps, so the market would have decided what items got bumped, and it would usually be the high end, expensive items that typically got the most interest anyway. Sellers would then have the choice of either posting a lot of items in one listing, or posting them as multiple listings in a thread, based on their assessment of the market. Is it better to bump, or to post a lot of individual listings? A user with a lot of showcase items might have been tempted to split them up somewhat, probably into categories, to get the most out of each bump, but also get cross exposure for items. Thrifters would use a single thread, sellers wotj a single showcase item and a lot of miscellaneous stuff would use a single thread and multiple bumps. etc...

So, that system would have had the benefits and not the faults of an Ebay, some of which have been articulated here.

So, the real question now is, how do we make the system we have more user friendly both for the the users and for the . We are constrained by 2 things. The first is that a token system is really not possible. The backend for any pay per service token system is... just not going to happen, unless someone decided to enfuse me with a couple of hundred, like, immediately. There needs to be a fee for bumping, and it needs to be based on membership. Also, the categorization is here to stay, as is the price field. Would it be best to allow, say, 7 listings per user, (essentially one in each cateogory, if necessary), make the price the highest priced good, and make the membership system bump-based only? i.e. a user could bump the thread once a day (that's the fastest the system works, I think) for all the listings, with very short duration memberships? I think that that's possible, and we toyed with the idea, but the issue was that people would have "bumping wars", and basic sellers would be left in the dust.

Bumping was a serious issue, people were pissed off about it, and we were thoroughly sick of people complaining about it, and other people gaming the system ("Please leave feedback on this thread") so it is something that will have to be priced so that you have to really want to do it to do it. We also really like the preview picture listings, which are much better for casual readers, (and there are many, and we do want to attract them), but maybe the pricing system I proposed would actually make the preview enticing rather than boring, as Spoo has mentioned?

Like I have said before, but is worth mentioning again, the way this system is going to work is if people give us suggestions that are going to work in the current classified systems, but merely by changing the membership structure and the rules, and at very most, suggestions like Spoo's, which are small technical fixes (well, actually, adding new, dynamic field is not, but I'll see what can be done about that. However, unlike a lot of the other parts of the system, which are difficult to adjust, the current membership, classification, and fee system, were bult for us, and we do have latitude on how it is actually implemented.

The old system is just not coming back. On the backend, j and I, and some of the mods, were spending countless hours deleting threads, having people complain, figuring out the grey areas of the ruiles, etc... People were often (as in, about a dozen cases a day) unsatisfied with our rulings, and we are not going to go back to being ad hoc judges. We are going to have a classified system where the rules are transparent, and where bumping is governed by a sellers cost/benefit analysis. Help us make that work.

Cheers,

Fok.
post #57 of 549

I don't actually understand how the new system works for sellers. I only sell stuff once in a blue moon, but when the time comes:

 

1) how does a thread get bumped up to the top of the forum?

a) is it automatic after a certain time?

b) is it whenever anyone replies?

c) does it happen when a seller responds to his own thread?

d) is it now allowed for sellers to respond to their own threads (it wasn't before, because it would bump)?

 

2) how do you price-cut?

 

3) does a price-cut bump a thread?

 

Thanks for any knowledgeable answers

post #58 of 549
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

I don't actually understand how the new system works for sellers. I only sell stuff once in a blue moon, but when the time comes:

 

1) how does a thread get bumped up to the top of the forum?

a) is it automatic after a certain time?

b) is it whenever anyone replies?

c) does it happen when a seller responds to his own thread?

d) is it now allowed for sellers to respond to their own threads (it wasn't before, because it would bump)?

 

2) how do you price-cut?

 

3) does a price-cut bump a thread?

 

Thanks for any knowledgeable answers


I need to get down to Mr. Ned's (you guys will be seeing more content that you'll like, and that will springboard discussions, I hope), but I'll let the people already using the system answer these. One things is obvious, We need a better B&S FAQ.
post #59 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


So, the real question now is, how do we make the system we have more user friendly both for the the users and for the . We are constrained by 2 things. The first is that a token system is really not possible. The backend for any pay per service token system is... just not going to happen, unless someone decided to enfuse me with a couple of hundred, like, immediately.
..... Help us make that work.

Cheers,

Fok.

I think members would be more than happy to pay into a system to make it work exactly like we want it - a la Wikipedia.

Fundraiser to fix the B&S?
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post



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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

I don't actually understand how the new system works for sellers. I only sell stuff once in a blue moon, but when the time comes:

 

1) how does a thread get bumped up to the top of the forum?

a) is it automatic after a certain time?

b) is it whenever anyone replies?

c) does it happen when a seller responds to his own thread?

d) is it now allowed for sellers to respond to their own threads (it wasn't before, because it would bump)?

 

2) how do you price-cut?

 

3) does a price-cut bump a thread?

 

Thanks for any knowledgeable answers




I need to get down to Mr. Ned's (you guys will be seeing more content that you'll like, and that will springboard discussions, I hope), but I'll let the people already using the system answer these. One things is obvious, We need a better B&S FAQ.


An FAQ/tutorial is needed now I think. Under vB, there wasn't any technical difference between posting in the discussion subforums, and the B&S, making it very very easy to start selling (the only thing one had to learn were the specific rules about bumping, etc).

 

Now, it's like a whole new technical system, probably with some pluses as well as minuses compared to the old system, but it does mean occasional (and non tech-savvy!) sellers like me have to relearn how to list stuff and, much more importantly, how to work the system (within the rules, of course) to ensure maximum eyeballs and highest price. All the questions I asked have a direct impact on things like deciding what level to set the asking price, how to reply to questions in the thread, whether it's worth paying for more visibility, etc, etc. It's like trying to figure out how much of the new B&S is like the old B&S and how much is now like eBay. It's not a binary thing; the answer is somewhere in the middle and I'm trying to figure out exactly where.

 

I appreciate that I'd probably work it all out once I list an item for real, but in the meantime I look forward to answers from anyone able to provide them! :)

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