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post #331 of 549
In addition to the changes in the rules that Spoo has already talked about, we will be tightening up both the main forums drastically, as well as the B&S, so that the preview text will be much shorter, the thumbnails smaller, etc..., so that browsing will become much more enjoyable. Hope you guys will like the changes. They are a coming... soon.

Cheers,

Fok.
post #332 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

In addition to the changes in the rules that Spoo has already talked about, we will be tightening up both the main forums drastically, as well as the B&S, so that the preview text will be much shorter, the thumbnails smaller, etc..., so that browsing will become much more enjoyable. Hope you guys will like the changes. They are a coming... soon.

Cheers,

Fok.

 

Nice!

 

 

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post

Can we please get rid of the very useless, untargetted and irrelevant review sidebar? I honestly don't care what some person I don't know thinks of his new jeans. If I wanted to read about it, I'd go look for it.

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Edited by Brianpore - 7/25/11 at 12:10pm
post #333 of 549
Not sure how I feel about paying for bumps. That seems awfully close to AAAC's old system of paying to list something on their buying and selling board (unless you had over 1000 posts). As I recall, the only sellers were the hardcore Old Guard, because no one else wanted to pay for the privilege of listing something that might get sold.

Personally, I favour the old SF system of price drops. The community did a good job of enforcing it, and it reflected supply and demand.
post #334 of 549
Can we please get rid of the very useless, untargetted and irrelevant review sidebar? I honestly don't care what some person I don't know thinks of his new jeans. If I wanted to read about it, I'd go look for it.
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Originally Posted by Geoff Gander View Post

Not sure how I feel about paying for bumps. That seems awfully close to AAAC's old system of paying to list something on their buying and selling board (unless you had over 1000 posts). As I recall, the only sellers were the hardcore Old Guard, because no one else wanted to pay for the privilege of listing something that might get sold.

Personally, I favour the old SF system of price drops. The community did a good job of enforcing it, and it reflected supply and demand.

 

paying for bumps, as has been pointed out, is potentially cheaper than a price drop, especially if you're selling a brioni cashmere suit lined with a picture of toms fords face for $25000, a 5% price drop on that would be way more than a $1 price drop

post #336 of 549
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paying for bumps, as has been pointed out, is potentially cheaper than a price drop, especially if you're selling a brioni cashmere suit lined with a picture of toms fords face for $25000, a 5% price drop on that would be way more than a $1 price drop


It also allows the market to adjust organically. By imposing a small "penalty" on poor marketing and pricing practices, you get to an optimal market faster. The 5% procedrop thing had some unforeseen consequences - people started prices high, and buyers and sellers played a game of chicken. This is not good for anyone.

The comparison to Andy's system is not apt. Andy charged for listing. We plan to never charge for listing. His motivation was to make money off B&S. Our motivation is to make the B&S marketplace as dynamic as possible, and the fees will be adjusted to make that work. I don't care if the effective bump fee is $0.01. The fee schedule will be adjusted to make the system as dynamic as possible.

Lastly. we are not Andy. We realize that we make mistakes, and we engage the community in decision making, while acting as its leaders.
post #337 of 549

Personally I feel you overestimate the whole market price. My firm opinion is that the 5% mandatory price drops were a good thing, and that the prices in general will be higher on the new B&S. 

post #338 of 549
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Personally I feel you overestimate the whole market price. My firm opinion is that the 5% mandatory price drops were a good thing, and that the prices in general will be higher on the new B&S. 


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post #339 of 549
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Personally I feel you overestimate the whole market price. My firm opinion is that the 5% mandatory price drops were a good thing, and that the prices in general will be higher on the new B&S. 


They were good for that format, IMO - also because you didnt have to listen to the complaints of gaming that Fok and J did.

Also, I just took a look at the main page of B&S, and 98% of it is NWT things - most likely purchased with the intent to sell and therefore bear a higher margin. There are really no "closet cleaning" items there, which have historically always been lower priced, and where the clamoring for "PM SENT" status happened. Take a deeper look as to what is being posted there, and its not that the prices are higher - the cost of goods are higher (if purchasing on a discount to resell) therefore that affects everyones sale numbers. As Pocketsquareguy also mentioned somewhere in this thread, the deals of '08-'09 are long gone. Id say that once the new system with the megathread option in place allows a few people to do some preowned or closet cleaning sales (spam[1].gifbigstar[1].gif) then you will see some lower prices and some more activity.
post #340 of 549
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Originally Posted by W.R. View Post

Personally I feel you overestimate the whole market price. My firm opinion is that the 5% mandatory price drops were a good thing, and that the prices in general will be higher on the new B&S. 


Let me guess, you sell rarely, if ever, on SF.

The 5% price reduction requirement is a crude instrument. Apply a strict "5% reduction in order to bump" policy to a seller who carries a large inventory of items which come in many sizes and he absolutely can not sell on SF. No way. Get rid of the higher volume sellers and I promise you that prices will go up.

As for the prices being higher, I don't understand that argument. Are buyers suddenly going to start paying more? Can I raise my price for a Brooks Brothers OCBD by $5 and still sell as many? I don't think so. Trust me, the typical SF buyer knows how much an item retails for and how much it costs when on sale. SF buyers are not sheep.
post #341 of 549
spoo and steve - and all - the pricing on the New SF is higher for sure, let's not pretend it's not. there are some great deals on there too.

And yes, the mega blow outs of 2008-09 are gone, but great deals and blowouts abound... the riderbootshop sale for one, daffys still stocks incotex and mabitex, there's tons, TONS, out there that's great bargins, and can still be resold in SF at fair pricing.

Saks recently (within the past month) blew out tons of JM Weston's for approximately $200 a piece for classic loafers and lace ups. Saks also sold tons of cashmere and linen ties for $25 each. Some of these have shown up on B&S for $40ish dollars, some for $75...

There are great deals. Even if those were sold on SF for $300 (inclusive of shipping and paypal fees), sellers would still do nicely.
post #342 of 549

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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

spoo and steve - and all - the pricing on the New SF is higher for sure, let's not pretend it's not. there are some great deals on there too.

And yes, the mega blow outs of 2008-09 are gone, but great deals and blowouts abound... the riderbootshop sale for one, daffys still stocks incotex and mabitex, there's tons, TONS, out there that's great bargins, and can still be resold in SF at fair pricing.

Saks recently (within the past month) blew out tons of JM Weston's for approximately $200 a piece for classic loafers and lace ups. Saks also sold tons of cashmere and linen ties for $25 each. Some of these have shown up on B&S for $40ish dollars, some for $75...

There are great deals. Even if those were sold on SF for $300 (inclusive of shipping and paypal fees), sellers would still do nicely.

 

As has been noted before, please take a moment to imagine the following. a guy goes to saks, buys those shoes or a tie and then sells it here. he has to pay gas, shipping, other supplies and his time, that should all be inclusive in the price and then a profit on top. a $45 tie on B&S that he paid $20 is not bad. also take into account if you can't buy that in your area or whatever then how does what he paid for it make a difference. finally, to quote spoo... to make a coke costs $0.17 and you still pay a buck for it.

 

on my google store (and when mega threads roll out here) i will be offering a price promise on my already low priced items (NWT Kiton Ties for $80!!!!! spam[1].gif) if you can find the exact item i am selling anywhere else for cheaper i will try to beat the price, including shipping.

 

Have a good day, roll on the new B&S
 

 

post #343 of 549
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Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post

Let me guess, you sell rarely, if ever, on SF.
No, I do not sell much on SF, and definitely not the same volumes as you do: I've sold for around 7000 USD in July and June, which is a fair amount of money (although I've sold less than 50 items) . However, I think it is irrelevant for the discussion.
 
The 5% price reduction requirement is a crude instrument. Apply a strict "5% reduction in order to bump" policy to a seller who carries a large inventory of items which come in many sizes and he absolutely can not sell on SF. No way. Get rid of the higher volume sellers and I promise you that prices will go up.
Yes, the 5% drop requirement has its flaws (for example, it is does not work very well with high volume sellers), but over all I think it still was a better system. You also did not have to drop your entire thread 5%. High volume sellers also had the opportunity to pin their threads (similar philosophy to the new "pay-to-bump" system: To get on top of the page, pay to SF)
 
I would much rather drop a $100 item $10 than paying $5 to bump it. Others, however, might not. Therefore I think that you should be able to choose: Either a compulsory price drop for a bump - this could be incoporated into the system so the thread is automatically bumped when one decides to drop the price - or paying for the bump. 5% drops would work better with small volume sellers and "pay-to-bump" would work better with high volume sellers as yourself.
 
As for the prices being higher, I don't understand that argument. Are buyers suddenly going to start paying more? Can I raise my price for a Brooks Brothers OCBD by $5 and still sell as many? I don't think so. Trust me, the typical SF buyer knows how much an item retails for and how much it costs when on sale. SF buyers are not sheep.
This really depend from item to item: Some items, such as your example, are really price dependent items (staple shirts/ties etc). Others are not: I have seen Isaia suits sell for north of $1000 while some other won't sell for $600. These items might as well be 5% higher priced and sell as well (take Spoo's shoe example as example). More often than not it is about finding the buyer (ie, about finding a buyer who looks specifially for the item you are selling; who craves just that item), and then the typical buyer wouldn't mind paying an extra 5%. It is still my firm belief that the sellers have to fund their bump payments by having a higher price; thus the prices will be higher.

 

post #344 of 549
j and Fok, can I ask about the rationale behind merging the WTB sections into the relevant FS sections? WTB has been one of my favourite parts of SF and I've managed to get some amazing deals there. I assume that people used to browse that section to see if there was a demand they might fill. Sure this isn't a programming issue? I'd much rather see WTB as a separate section as before. Another question is - if you keep things the way they are and I put a WTB thread in the FS section, do I pay to bump it?
post #345 of 549
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As has been noted before, please take a moment to imagine the following. a guy goes to saks, buys those shoes or a tie and then sells it here. he has to pay gas, shipping, other supplies and his time, that should all be inclusive in the price and then a profit on top. a $45 tie on B&S that he paid $20 is not bad. also take into account if you can't buy that in your area or whatever then how does what he paid for it make a difference. finally, to quote spoo... to make a coke costs $0.17 and you still pay a buck for it.

 

on my google store (and when mega threads roll out here) i will be offering a price promise on my already low priced items (NWT Kiton Ties for $80!!!!! spam%5B1%5D.gif) if you can find the exact item i am selling anywhere else for cheaper i will try to beat the price, including shipping.

 

Have a good day, roll on the new B&S
 

 


I agree with everything you stated. It's all supply and demand.
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