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post #211 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


Re. the first point, behind the scenes, there were literally hundreds of complaints about this, whether that people where gaming the system, or that it was an artificial "race to the bottom". I think that the pay to bump system will be the new way to incentivize price drops. If you have to pay $10 a bump, you would like your item to sell, not have it rapidly. We could make it $50 a bump, or even higher. The fee structure is a real-time experiment to make the market work faster. It's been proven to work in many economic experiments, but it nearly always requires a significant amount of tuning.

Honestly? At $10 a bump, I wouldn't list anything to sell, simple as that. Or just list it once, see what happens and that's it.

As an occasional seller of a few things here and there (rather than the mega sellers we have), my margins for when I do sell things are very low. Mostly it is reselling things I bought in error here, so that defines that very bottom of the price range. Without the room for some price movement in lieu of significant financial consequences, I honestly would just put it up and leave it. Eventually, with things not selling because of this, I'd stop listing.

By having a price drop and moving the item back to the top, I increase my chances of selling it with no financial repercussions if I don't manage to (whether it is my pricing causing that, or the lack of desire on the market).

On the other hand, with the system that you are looking into, I have to pay a fee to see if my item can sell. If it can't, too bad. I'm out whatever I spent to bump and still have my item.

For an example, take a look at the white DB DJ I'm selling as listed in my sig. Demand for this is obviously low. I would have relied on a mere-exposure effect coupled with a impulse decision for purchasing to sell it under the old system. Now, I might be bumping it constantly and spending a lot just to have it remain visible.
post #212 of 549
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

$50 per bump sounds excessive, as does $10... If an item is $50, unless you are bumping an entire thread with many items, and it costs $10 per bump, that's quite high.

I literally just threw out some numbers. The point was not the amount, but that the amount is tunable. Sorry if that point was not clear. It could be $0.50 or $0.10, depending on what works.
post #213 of 549
I think $1 per bump is fair (this way SF earns money when an item is bumped). I also think the mandatory 5% drops when bumped helps the "forum" members get something also (to dissuade from constant bumping) and if the item does not sell (as see above), the person is only out of the money they paid to "bump."
post #214 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Whether you realize it or not, there were loads of complaints about "cliques" bumping up one another's items.

+1

Regarding $10 for a bump?

500
post #215 of 549
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

... if the item does not sell (as see above), the person is only out of the money they paid to "bump."

Which is in itself another big problem.

It's fine when margins allow the frequent sellers to absorb this, but for occasional sellers... discourages them completely.
post #216 of 549
Is there a thread where we can understand how the current B&S system is different from the previous one? I have found it hard to navigate (compared to earlier) so haven't really spent much time on it. Are there other differences apart from the fact that now only 1 listing is allowed per thread??
post #217 of 549
Sorry if this has been covered already but I only just tried to use the B&S very recently and don't want to wade through 15 pages of complaints to see if mine is there. I find that once I look at a specific sale post, I lose all my preference settings when I go back to the main page. For instance, when I check the boxes for Footwear and Sale and Trade, etc. I loose those settings as soon as I open a specific post. It's frustrating to have to start all over again, especially if I'm two or three pages deep when it happens. If this is from user error, could someone please tell me how to keep it from happening?

A second concern is that there doesn't seem to be a preview function for sellers' postings, nor does there appear to be one for Private Messaging, for that matter. Again, if it's there and I'm just missing it, I apologize and hope that someone will enlighten me. Otherwise, I'd like to see these functions reinstated.
post #218 of 549
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Originally Posted by Threadbearer View Post

I lose all my preference settings when I go back to the main page.

This happens to me, too, on both Firefox and on my Iphone (Firefox and Internet Explorer).

It's also kind of a chore having to wait for each individual preference box to update before you can click another...made more annoying, I guess, because you have to re-enter the preferences each time you look at something. (You can get around this by clicking 'open link in new tab', but inevitably, at some point, you'll forget).



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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

I think $1 per bump is fair (this way SF earns money when an item is bumped). I also think the mandatory 5% drops when bumped helps the "forum" members get something also (to dissuade from constant bumping) and if the item does not sell (as see above), the person is only out of the money they paid to "bump."
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+1

Regarding $10 for a bump?

500


What do people think about this?

 

If you have to pay for a bump do you also have to include a 5% (or whatever) price drop when item is bumped??? 

 

post #220 of 549
Pay-to-bump is a bad idea IMO. You can argue that price drop often equals a $ amount that may be higher than $1 or even $10, there are TWO huge differences. First off, if the old system, you don't loss money even before you have a sale, and that alone is enough to stop many people from listing, and that is why eBay is waiving listing fees (yeah I know everyone hates the fleabay) to encourage listings. Secondly, while price drop benefit buyers, pay-to-bump benefit SF owners. Yes I agree nobody works for free, that is why you run ads. Once you treat users as revenue source, you loss traffic volume. Lower traffic makes it less appealing to sellers and buyers which leads to even lower volume, lower ad revenue...
post #221 of 549
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Originally Posted by Threadbearer View Post

... I find that once I look at a specific sale post, I lose all my preference settings when I go back to the main page. For instance, when I check the boxes for Footwear and Sale and Trade, etc. I loose those settings as soon as I open a specific post. It's frustrating to have to start all over again, especially if I'm two or three pages deep when it happens. If this is from user error, could someone please tell me how to keep it from happening?
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Originally Posted by noobizor View Post


This happens to me, too, on both Firefox and on my Iphone (Firefox and Internet Explorer).

+1
post #222 of 549
Is it against rule If I put my photobucket album link and sell multiple items in one thread?
like lets say I have 20 shirts to sell for $100 each, all different sizes, different colors and styles.
only the price is same.
post #223 of 549
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Originally Posted by Threadbearer View Post

Sorry if this has been covered already but I only just tried to use the B&S very recently and don't want to wade through 15 pages of complaints to see if mine is there. I find that once I look at a specific sale post, I lose all my preference settings when I go back to the main page. For instance, when I check the boxes for Footwear and Sale and Trade, etc. I loose those settings as soon as I open a specific post. It's frustrating to have to start all over again, especially if I'm two or three pages deep when it happens. If this is from user error, could someone please tell me how to keep it from happening?

A second concern is that there doesn't seem to be a preview function for sellers' postings, nor does there appear to be one for Private Messaging, for that matter. Again, if it's there and I'm just missing it, I apologize and hope that someone will enlighten me. Otherwise, I'd like to see these functions reinstated.
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Originally Posted by noobizor View Post


This happens to me, too, on both Firefox and on my Iphone (Firefox and Internet Explorer).

It's also kind of a chore having to wait for each individual preference box to update before you can click another...made more annoying, I guess, because you have to re-enter the preferences each time you look at something. (You can get around this by clicking 'open link in new tab', but inevitably, at some point, you'll forget).
These are glitches which we fully intend to fix. We apologize for the present inconvenience.
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Originally Posted by wj2009 View Post

Pay-to-bump is a bad idea IMO. You can argue that price drop often equals a $ amount that may be higher than $1 or even $10, there are TWO huge differences. First off, if the old system, you don't loss money even before you have a sale, and that alone is enough to stop many people from listing, and that is why eBay is waiving listing fees (yeah I know everyone hates the fleabay) to encourage listings. Secondly, while price drop benefit buyers, pay-to-bump benefit SF owners. Yes I agree nobody works for free, that is why you run ads. Once you treat users as revenue source, you loss traffic volume. Lower traffic makes it less appealing to sellers and buyers which leads to even lower volume, lower ad revenue...

This system was not designed to make us cash. It's a matter of letting sellers decide make a cost/benefit analysis.

If sellers don't want to pay for increased frequency of bumps (the current system's default), they don't have to. They can if they feel like it would make them have a faster sellthrough, more visibility, whatever. It's sort of like the old "pin a thread" system, but at a much lower cost to use.

To reiterate, no one is going to make anyone bump anything. But discussion in the forums is also not going to bump anything. I asked Spoo to come up with some workable solutions, but I also gave him some guidelines. This is one of the hard guidelines. The old system was rife with abuse, and while this discussion is in public, we got dozens of emails a day complaining about "cliques" bumping one another's threads, etc... when the old system was in place.
post #224 of 549
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Originally Posted by stu00a View Post

Is it against rule If I put my photobucket album link and sell multiple items in one thread?
like lets say I have 20 shirts to sell for $100 each, all different sizes, different colors and styles.
only the price is same.

Currently, yes, completely against the rules. The current posted rules should be followed at this time.
post #225 of 549
So the B&S brings in some more funds for SF? Why is that such a bad thing. Server maintenance and upgrades costs money, right? Just sayin'. Enough with the conspiracy theories already
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