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post #181 of 549
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Originally Posted by tatecloths View Post

Mainy I like your original plan, but I still think we should shy away from any system that marks an item sold before payment is actually made.

1. It will take work to implement, time IMO better spent elsewhere.

2. Part of the competitive/urgency of the old system was the oblique PM function for sales - where you might have gotten it or might have missed out

3. It's a huge potential new hassle for sellers/mods with buyers who flake/change mind.

I don't see the upside.

Yeah, maybe it would work so that the seller can respond to the offer, and mark it as sold after payment is made.
post #182 of 549
I dont have anything worthwhile to contribute, but i need to bitch nonetheless.

The new format sucks balls. I hate it. navigation is a apin in the ass, its slow as hell, prices seem way higher than usual as a whole, and theres no discussion. Whoever decided to change everything here needs to have their head examined. there isnt ONE new feature here thats worth a damn. not. one. I miss the old SF. the new change really fecks up my day.

/rant.

**also, I get a dozen emails every day on subscrptions to threads I didnt subscribe to. WTF!? its like farking spam.
post #183 of 549
I find it incredibly annoying that pocketcircle has 20 of the first 45 classifieds. Nothing against him....
post #184 of 549
Pros

-Easier to browse for specific items

-Less chance you miss a good item

-Fewer people taking advantage of rules for bumps (exorbitant starting price, very small % price drops, vague descriptions that prompt buyer questions, etc.)

-Uploading photos from computer

Cons

-No incentive for seller to cut price

-No urgency on buyer's part

Effects

-Fewer good deals

-Less incentive to closely follow new threads & fewer page views

-Slow turnover for merchandise

-Accumulation of overpriced junk



The new system has basically decreased sellers' risk, and maximized the ceiling of their sale prices, but because of that, they are going to be selling to a much smaller base of buyers who are willing to put up with it. It's a step backwards IMO.
post #185 of 549
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

Pros

-Easier to browse for specific items

-Less chance you miss a good item

-Fewer people taking advantage of rules for bumps (exorbitant starting price, very small % price drops, vague descriptions that prompt buyer questions, etc.)

-Uploading photos from computer

Cons

-No incentive for seller to cut price

-No urgency on buyer's part

Effects

-Fewer good deals

-Less incentive to closely follow new threads & fewer page views

-Slow turnover for merchandise

-Accumulation of overpriced junk



The new system has basically decreased sellers' risk, and maximized the ceiling of their sale prices, but because of that, they are going to be selling to a much smaller base of buyers who are willing to put up with it. It's a step backwards IMO.





Quoted for truth! My wife will love the changes since it means more money for home improvements/decorations, but I'm bored by the new B/S.
post #186 of 549
Agreed.

But will the lack of sales eventually condition sellers not to start at exorbitant prices?
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

Pros

-Easier to browse for specific items

-Less chance you miss a good item

-Fewer people taking advantage of rules for bumps (exorbitant starting price, very small % price drops, vague descriptions that prompt buyer questions, etc.)

-Uploading photos from computer

Cons

-No incentive for seller to cut price

-No urgency on buyer's part

Effects

-Fewer good deals

-Less incentive to closely follow new threads & fewer page views

-Slow turnover for merchandise

-Accumulation of overpriced junk



The new system has basically decreased sellers' risk, and maximized the ceiling of their sale prices, but because of that, they are going to be selling to a much smaller base of buyers who are willing to put up with it. It's a step backwards IMO.
post #187 of 549
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

Agreed.

But will the lack of sales eventually condition sellers not to start at exorbitant prices?

No, because they sacrifice no exposure. The B&S works best when sellers have to assess the risk of dropping prices for more exposure. With this system, there is nothing to be done to gain viewers that offers buyers better deals. I could put my entire closet on the sale forum right now for ridiculous prices, and over the course of six months, I might sell a couple items and make money. But in doing so, I hurt the forum for every other seller because the glut of merchandise that won't be sold at the current price makes people lose interest. Since my overpriced junk will always be easy to find with the category searches, I never have to make it more visible with drops.
post #188 of 549
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post


No, because they sacrifice no exposure. The B&S works best when sellers have to assess the risk of dropping prices for more exposure. With this system, there is nothing to be done to gain viewers that offers them better deals. I could put my entire closet on the sale forum right now for ridiculous prices, and over the course of six months, I might sell a couple items and make money. But in doing so, I hurt the forum for every other seller because the glut of merchandise that won't be sold at the current value makes people lose interest. Since my overpriced junk will always be easy to find with the category searches, I never have to make it more visible with drops.

+ 1.

I like the idea of user "likes" or "votes" - which works well on other sites where users take an active voice in promoting content. Filtering by "most popular" might also help with the "lack of urgency" issue.

Here is an example of Hypem.com (a music blog) that allows different filtering within specified time-frames:

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And, while this is an entirely unfriendly idea, what about the option to black ball listings? i.e. 20 members vote negative on a listing, it gets removed from the board. No action/penalty would be taken, but the poster would know that their listing is overpriced or uninteresting. Bumps and comments helped regulate the old B&S, but the new B&S doesn't give as much voice to SF users.

IMO it would help SF members control the B&S content.
post #189 of 549
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Originally Posted by TRINI View Post


This actually makes sense. That way, similar to saved sellers on Ebay, you can just subscribe to the sellers you like and ignore the rest.

You wouldn't have to bother with bumps,etc as it would just be a listing of sellers rather than items.

Not sure if that is what I meant though. I still think a seller adding new items should get a bump, so it still remains like a forum, but another option is to have a sort by seller, or some sort of landing page where the sellers are.

I may be mistaken here, but it seems the new BS offers no seller an incentive to drop prices.
post #190 of 549
I haven't been here long but I never thought the time would come when i would be unable to surf the B&S fora. That happened today; they just suck, man.

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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post


No, because they sacrifice no exposure. The B&S works best when sellers have to assess the risk of dropping prices for more exposure. With this system, there is nothing to be done to gain viewers that offers buyers better deals. I could put my entire closet on the sale forum right now for ridiculous prices, and over the course of six months, I might sell a couple items and make money. But in doing so, I hurt the forum for every other seller because the glut of merchandise that won't be sold at the current price makes people lose interest. Since my overpriced junk will always be easy to find with the category searches, I never have to make it more visible with drops.

+1
post #191 of 549
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Originally Posted by GoldenTribe View Post

- I liked the "regular forum thread" format despite whatever problems there may have been with bumping: I liked that people replied to threads, conversations started, people corrected errors in the listing ("that's actually CNC not Costume National") or pointed out when the MSRP was a lie or added their own information about the items based on personal experience -- this communal, conversational element is completely gone now as far as I can see
- I liked viewing multiple items from one seller in a single thread because it made me constantly keep an eye out for "package deals" as at least one person has already mentioned
- I liked seeing just the one-line description of the thread title, i.e. I agree with Spoo about "too much transparency"; now I never find myself even wanting to click on an item because I see the picture, size, and price, and unless they're all spot-on I just don't view the item, so I end up looking at a lot less than I used to (for people buying things they know they need before they ever start looking, this may be an improvement -- but like many resident SFers, I found it enjoyable to browse even things that were not my size and taste, or that were ambiguous based on the thread title)
- I dislike that the new format restricts sellers to one item per thread: there are too many threads and it seems 10x more cluttered and "busy" (in the bad way) than the old format
- I do not understand a lot of things about the new format (paying SF for bumping privileges? how bumping/replies work? etc), and based on 5 minutes of browsing I'm not sure that I really care to find out (just being brutally honest).

The bottom line for me is that I have scarcely looked through B&S since the changeover and I used to spend an hour a day just browsing for stuff to buy. I've pretty much lost interest in both buying and selling -- I have no plans to relist the items I had in now-archived B&S threads.

I also have to say I still really f***ing hate the new sidebar. Why do I care that someone I have never heard of has given a 3-star rating to "Bass Men's Logan Flat Panel Loafer"?? What does that have to do with anything? Unless you can somehow promise me that brands and items I am interested in will be featured/prioritized in this little highlights area, I find it not only useless but highly intrusive.

+1 on all points... and as a seller there are essentially mirrored issues. I haven't wanted to list my remaining stuff on the new B&S and I've completely stopped browsing for good deals like I was. In fact, I don't even LOOK at the new one - just the archive for any good pricedrops.
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post

The sidebar is useless. Honestly.

Reviews? By who? I don't wear jeans and it's full of jean reviews by some unknowns.

Please please please fix the B&S.

Revert it back to what it was and I'm sure people will volunteer (and you guys pick) to moderate it properly. I know I'd be up for that.

If it is a revenue issue, open up donations. Paying to bump is not something that is conducive towards the sense of community we've lost.

Again, I and many others would be more than happy to donate.

+100000000000000
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

I can't sell anything. That's a problem.

Same here - DaveSmith I think posted the same thing - I had sales rolling, PM's coming in, offers, even a few flakers... and now I've gotten one guy offering HALF what I'm asking for a NWT RLPL tie over the past week or so. I mean, not even a really serious offer. That's essentially worst B&S response I've *ever* had. It's not a price thing either - when I had prices set $20 *higher* I got more PM's.


Really glad to hear j and fok are aware and willing to listen about these issues. I know the new B&S is meant to help with the bump/spam/etc. issues and I respect that - but the design just isn't working out. Hopefully Spoo can help direct this a bit, looking forward to see how the discussion goes.
post #192 of 549
Man, I was going to list bunch of stuffs, but it seems really complicated. I gave up.
post #193 of 549
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Originally Posted by TheWGP View Post



Same here - DaveSmith I think posted the same thing - I had sales rolling, PM's coming in, offers, even a few flakers... and now I've gotten one guy offering HALF what I'm asking for a NWT RLPL tie over the past week or so. I mean, not even a really serious offer. That's essentially worst B&S response I've *ever* had. It's not a price thing either - when I had prices set $20 *higher* I got more PM's.

Some of my items have like 30 views. They're not even super crappy or anything. In the old B&S forum, you could list an orphaned Jos. A Bank factory-second tuxedo jacket at 10% off retail and you'd be getting PMs asking if it could shipped to Madagascar.
post #194 of 549

 

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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

Some of my items have like 30 views. They're not even super crappy or anything. In the old B&S forum, you could list an orphaned Jos. A Bank factory-second tuxedo jacket at 10% off retail and you'd be getting PMs asking if it could shipped to Madagascar.


bounce2.gifrotflmao.gif that is so true... i am waiting for those guys to PM me, it wouldn't even be a chore for me to deal with it at the moment. you know what right now, i'd give them a 75% and i'd waive the shipping costs to madagascar next day UPS. where have all my buyers gone??? by the end of next week i am going to have tons of BNIB kiton shirts for $199 shipped (sizes 15 upwards) and brand new battisti ties for $85 shipped... if they don't shift I QUIT.

post #195 of 549
Most of my purchases on the old B&S system was impulsive. I rarely came to look for something in specific. Now with one thread one item, it is like eBay and nobody visits eBay not knowing what they are looking for. The problem is the search function of the new B&S is no where close to that of eBay so even if you know what you are looking for it is gonna be a challenge, especially when the number of threads grow.
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