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post #136 of 549
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

We had good reasons to change B&S, but apparently, we also broke some key features. I've enlisted Spoo and am also talking with other long time, hgih volume sellers to fix the system, so that we have a market driven, easy to use (for both newcomera and oldtimers) and easily moderated system, but with the freewheelinjg, fun, spirit of the old system.
Yeah, we're listening, and learning too.

We should probably rename this thread to direct the flow of conversation better. There are lots of good ideas going through here, but I would love to hear more from other high volume, high dollar sellers as to what changes they suggest need to be implemented.
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Originally Posted by Jangofett View Post

I know and I did. I won't buy from interwebz flippers with high markups.

Its a moot point trying to explain, but understand that when you go to the store and buy a pair of shoes, or anything for that matter, and its brand new off the rack - you are paying a markup. A $500 pair of shoes costs $175 or so to produce. You dont say you wont buy them because you dont want to pay a markup, right? A can of Coke costs like 12 cents to make, You still pay a buck for it, right? If someone is selling a pair of Mabis for $75 that they paid $20 for, thats the new cost of goods versus a new "retail" price - regardless of the source.
post #137 of 549
I echo what many people have said, things need to get better and I have faith it will get better.

As far as high prices, if it's too much, PM the seller and see if they are willing to negotiate. I have purchased things on here and don't care how much they paid for it. What I do know, is that it will most definitely be less than retail and that is all I care about! Every product has markup, on here or not. Many people on B&S are here for the fun and provide access to items people may no have access to.
Edited by gyasih - 7/20/11 at 7:44am
post #138 of 549
I've sold tons of things on B&S thus far.............here is my $.02:

Please allow for multiple items to be listed as long as they are the same type of item. For example, I'd like to be able to list 10 pairs of trousers in one thread. On average, this will create one-stop-shopping for those who are looking to buy pants and less administrative work for sellers.

Having a price limit on selling multiple items of the same type is counter-productive.

I hope this can be incorporated into whatever changes may come.

Thanks to Spoo and the admins for being proactive!!
post #139 of 549
The new format frightens me. Get off my lawn!

Srsly though, is there a list of rules/FAQs somewhere for the new forum? Basic things like bumps for price reductions, etc.? I see a few rules listed, but then I see threads highlighted in yellow, replies to threads that don't bump the thread, etc. that have me scratching my head.
post #140 of 549
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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

Its a moot point trying to explain, but understand that when you go to the store and buy a pair of shoes, or anything for that matter, and its brand new off the rack - you are paying a markup. A $500 pair of shoes costs $175 or so to produce. You dont say you wont buy them because you dont want to pay a markup, right? A can of Coke costs like 12 cents to make, You still pay a buck for it, right? If someone is selling a pair of Mabis for $75 that they paid $20 for, thats the new cost of goods versus a new "retail" price - regardless of the source.
 


OMG!!! I was just about to post this, that guy is starting to get on my nerves.

 

You pay a profit margin on everything and most of the time the sellers on SF are making less than nordstrom, saks, neiman etc.... are making.

 

In SF B&S you can get the best deals, try walking into bergdorf goodman and saying i'll take 15 hermes ties, how does $250 sound?? let me know what happens.

 

post #141 of 549
There's a hella lot of complaining in here. Some valid but some.... facepalm.gif


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post #142 of 549
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Originally Posted by California Dreamer View Post


That's great Fok. One thing I'd note that, in addition to the fun, I learned a heck of a lot from comments posted in B&S threads.

This gets my award for completely -out- of- left- field- but- very- perceptive- comment.
post #143 of 549
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Originally Posted by davesmith View Post



OMG!!! I was just about to post this, that guy is starting to get on my nerves.

 

You pay a profit margin on everything and most of the time the sellers on SF are making less than nordstrom, saks, neiman etc.... are making.

 

In SF B&S you can get the best deals, try walking into bergdorf goodman and saying i'll take 15 hermes ties, how does $250 sound?? let me know what happens.

 


The problem is people think if you buy something for $5 and sell it for $10 your profit margin is $5.

If only.

You waste time and money to buy the thing.
You spend more time selling it. If you're lucky and it sells. If not that $5 is a loss that gets tacked on to everything else.
You spend time and money going to the shipper.
Sooner or later something gets lost. Or some idiot tries to screw you over. More money gone.
post #144 of 549
New B&S : New Coke
Old B&S : Coca-Cola Classic
post #145 of 549
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Originally Posted by TRINI View Post

There's a hella lot of complaining in here. Some valid but some.... facepalm.gif


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Actually I think there are some excellent suggestions coming out of these discussions that I hope the mods will implement soon. But, some of the "filler" is getting a little old.....
post #146 of 549
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Originally Posted by mainy View Post

Okay, I have been thinking about this. Here is my idea.

When you go to list an item, first you pick the category.

Say shoes.

Then you get a box, for the first pair. Select photo, size, details, and make the payment / shipping terms. You fill it out, and then you hit next. Payment and shipping terms are automatically added to each pair you add from there on out. Then you can add another pair. Etc. Then, in the forum, it shows up - So and So's Shoes for sale. There is a + next to the thread title. You click it, and it expands and shows each individual listing. Or, you can click on the So and So's shoes for sale title, and view them ALL AT ONCE in a thread that adds each individual item together into a conglomerate post. Sweet! You allow everybody to have one of these threads for each category. This would sort stuff out easy, but still allow you to view all of somebody's wares of a specific category at once.

OR, there could be a link (VIEW ALL) next to the seller's name to view all of their listings regardless of category on one page.

Then, if you add a new item to your category, it adds to your index page.

I think this would address the following issues:
Ease of listing: For each category of item, you can keep adding items and it would remember all your terms, etc and it would simply be a matter of clicking through and uploading a different photo and typing in details for the item. No different than before.

Ease of browsing: People that want the bazaar like feel of old SF can click the Category Thread title to view all of the seller's wares in that category, or they can click VIEW ALL to see all of a seller's wares in ALL categories in one big thread like before.

Threads would take up less space as only the titles would be visible, photos would only be visible when a thread is clicked to be expanded. Or, somebody could always change their default browsing setting to view all threads automatically expanded.

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This is kind of convoluted but it's 4AM, so hopefully somebody gets this idea.


Oh, and RE: Restoring the Sense of Urgency (TM) for buyers - I think my idea would help this a lot, as it would make all of a seller's items visible much in the way they used to be. But some other potential ideas would be:

SF Selling hotsheet - A page of only items added in the past hour (this is probably easy to set up as is, but if there were a link to it, people might use it). Or notifications when your favorite seller adds a new item.
Special buying privileges - not sure how this would work, maybe long time members get to view listings 10 minutes before everybody else can? Or make it so sellers can make their FS threads viewable to their favorite buyers before the general public. Some form of exclusivity.

I'm going to think on this some more tomorrow

Mainy - I happen to think this is a great setup. Really good idea. I dont know if this dropdown menu is possible though. That probably costs money to reconfigure, and Im all but sure thats not going to happen, so we have to play with the setup thats in place right now. Here are my basic bullet points to help this system work better for buyers and sellers.

- Remove the text preview from the main screen
- Add a post count to the main screen
- Bold the pageviews, maybe move them somewhere else

Now, tell me what you guys think about these issues :

- Remove the price from the main screen (need to click on the listing to see it)
- To pay for bumps, with the ability to bump when you need
- How do you feel about the bolding of titles and highlighting of titles? Does it make a difference in which items you focus on?
- To have multiple items listed in a thread, but you need to create new classifieds for each one, and the link to the classified appears in your original post
(basically this is like Mainy's idea where you click one listing, and maybe there is a little number next to the post that reads "[XX] additional items from seller" in the body, and there are links within the classified to the other items you are selling). Right now, these appear on the right hand column of the screen, but rather to be integrated in the body of your FS post
- How do you feel about the current pricing structure for the upgraded PowerSeller program? Fair? Too much for what you get?
- Do you search by category now that it is possible, or do you view the listings by timestamp, and just look at everything in general?


These are just things I am kicking around, not sure if any are possible, just trying to get a sense of what we need.

Thanks guys.
post #147 of 549
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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post


- Remove the price from the main screen (need to click on the listing to see it)

I almost never sell so I can't comment on most of these, but why do this?

The only advantage would be that myself/others would have to go into the thread, and by doing so will see how many comments/what kind of comments. I kind of like the convenience because then I know if it's out of a small timer's reach. biggrin.gif
post #148 of 549

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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

Now, tell me what you guys think about these issues :

- Remove the price from the main screen (need to click on the listing to see it)
Very good
- To pay for bumps, with the ability to bump when you need
Hmmm... any idea on pricing? If it's too cheap it could become a jungle, if its "expensive" people might not be able to and their item will never get sold. Also, what about people with just 1 listing
- How do you feel about the bolding of titles and highlighting of titles? Does it make a difference in which items you focus on?
I dunno.. with the new B&S the picture takes away needing to look at any writing, if i like the look then i'll read what it is. just my $0.02
- To have multiple items listed in a thread, but you need to create new classifieds for each one, and the link to the classified appears in your original post
(basically this is like Mainy's idea where you click one listing, and maybe there is a little number next to the post that reads "[XX] additional items from seller" in the body, and there are links within the classified to the other items you are selling). Right now, these appear on the right hand column of the screen, but rather to be integrated in the body of your FS post
Don't get it, if i have 50 ties i would still need to make 50 threads but they would be like one? you don't need to answer, i'm just a little slow
- How do you feel about the current pricing structure for the upgraded PowerSeller program? Fair? Too much for what you get?
I think it could work, but again what about people just selling 1 thing, they will get faded out by the powersellers.
- Do you search by category now that it is possible, or do you view the listings by timestamp, and just look at everything in general?
The way it was before was PERFECT. the only reason you need to search by category now is because there is only 1 item per listing meaning that there is the potential for 1000s of listings making it hard to find your exact thing in the list, that is where a search would come in.


edit: posts come out SO much bigger than in the editor, that is a discussion for another thread shog[1].gif

 

post #149 of 549
Not sure if I'm considered a high volume seller but I certainly buy a *hell* of a lot icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

OK with the new system I find it a lot easier to browse *but* that being said - the photo and price on the front page stop me from going any further. I'm not sure why but it does.

The eBay style layout is what (in my view) makes the B&S section seem somewhat dis-joined from the rest of the site. The community spirit is lacking as a result.

On paper - the new layout sounds like it would be perfect but in actual reality it's destroyed the original "buzz". I loved the fact that the original B&S was a bit like a busy flea market. Threads full of goodies and each title kind of "inviting" you to delve further.

With that "delving" usually came the replies "If only it was my size" etc. The replies leads to the community feel. I think I've even purchased something in the (distant) past based initially on the comments of others! I can't imagine doing something like that now - but there you go - jus' being honest. I'd echo what Spoo has said re viewcount. I used to be drawn to the threads which were new and had the least views because I thought I could get in quick and grab a bargain.

I'm not selling many items at the moment but I can see that interest has fallen dramatically since the changeover.

So I guess in conclusion: B&S was good because of the interaction that it encouraged. Sure it was old and rickety but that was part of it's charm.

I've not played around with the power seller options but I will be doing so in the next few weeks and hopefully I can offer some input.
post #150 of 549
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Originally Posted by MalfordOfLondon View Post

Not sure if I'm considered a high volume seller but I certainly buy a *hell* of a lot icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Sounds like you shopped it the same way as me boxing[1].gif

So you also think that removing the price from the main page, making the views bolder, adding the number of replies, and deleting the text preview is a good idea?

What suggestions would you offer to increase multiple item purchases from the same seller?
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