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post #61 of 226
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Originally Posted by Islander View Post

I think what Uncontrol was trying to point out is that his site is faster and way easier to read/browse/navigate than the new SF.

He is right.

Was moreso referring to the readability etc. as it's no surprise my tiny site is much faster than SF redface.gif

It's definitely not always wise to listen to users as they don't always know what they want. But in this case, LA Guy is not really Steve Jobs here, and there is an almost-unanimously negative reaction from a very involved and knowledgeable userbase. The sad part is it seems we're past the point of no return, so it's mostly like it or get lost at this point. It likely would have been wiser to find out exactly what the community wanted before investing thousands of dollars and hours ...
post #62 of 226
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Was moreso referring to the readability etc. as it's no surprise my tiny site is much faster than SF redface.gif

It's definitely not always wise to listen to users as they don't always know what they want. But in this case, LA Guy is not really Steve Jobs here, and there is an almost-unanimously negative reaction from a very involved and knowledgeable userbase. The sad part is it seems we're past the point of no return, so it's mostly like it or get lost at this point. It likely would have been wiser to find out exactly what the community wanted before investing thousands of dollars and hours ...

Well, I don't know about that.
People who complain are always louder than the people at the opposite end of the spectrum. As always, the majority is probably undecided or doesn't care enough.
I really like some of the new features, e.g., the PM system is much better than what vb offered, while I dislike others.
post #63 of 226
still cant see how the new b/s classified gonna be successful. very drastic inactivity in the marketplace, and it is usually one of the best places to waste my time.
post #64 of 226
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Well, I don't know about that.
People who complain are always louder than the people at the opposite end of the spectrum. As always, the majority is probably undecided or doesn't care enough.
I really like some of the new features, e.g., the PM system is much better than what vb offered, while I dislike others.

you do know the new sf suck on the whole.

what is the point of new features when the core features are shite?
post #65 of 226
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Originally Posted by Redwoood View Post


Well, I don't know about that.
People who complain are always louder than the people at the opposite end of the spectrum. As always, the majority is probably undecided or doesn't care enough.
I really like some of the new features, e.g., the PM system is much better than what vb offered, while I dislike others.

Yeah but all the core users -- you know, the ones who create content for less-active users to consume -- mostly hate the new site.
post #66 of 226
J, Fok, thank you for posting this thread, things are seldom graceful when it comes to platform changes, these things always take a while to get squared away - and for everyone to adjust.

I don't recall ever being promised that things would be Exactly like they were in the Good Old Days - and now that we bring that up, the Good Old Days featured tons of spam and heavy lag times for a number of users - both things that discouraged participation in the fora. The spam is largely dialed back, and I haven't noticed any lag times lately. In my opinion, the visuals could be tighter, but hell...that can be dealt with once you get the bigger bugs worked out. I consider this an improvement, even with the quibbles. Thank you both, gents.
post #67 of 226
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J, Fok, thank you for posting this thread, things are seldom graceful when it comes to platform changes, these things always take a while to get squared away - and for everyone to adjust.

I don't recall ever being promised that things would be Exactly like they were in the Good Old Days - and now that we bring that up, the Good Old Days featured tons of spam and heavy lag times for a number of users - both things that discouraged participation in the fora. The spam is largely dialed back, and I haven't noticed any lag times lately. In my opinion, the visuals could be tighter, but hell...that can be dealt with once you get the bigger bugs worked out. I consider this an improvement, even with the quibbles. Thank you both, gents.
more than the current dissatisfied users?
post #68 of 226
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Originally Posted by pronxs View Post

more than the current dissatisfied users?

There have always been dissatisfied users, and there will always be dissatisfied users. There will always be people who will find something to be dissatisfied with.

That said, the two most common complaints I used to see on Transmod were

1: LAAAAG
2. SPAAAAAM
3. Jon.

Or, to put it from my own perspective - there have been times when I bailed on posting, because it was taking too long to load. I have yet to bail on posting just because there's a lot of white space on the screen, or there's a smiley missing, or I can't get my text to show the right shade of teal. To me, they are minor annoyances and not deal-breakers.
post #69 of 226
The product reviews are not really representive of what the forum is about. Billabong? Come on now...

500
post #70 of 226
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FWIW I don't blame the mods one bit. They have ALWAYS been and continue to be fantastic hosts. I enjoyed SF for a good 3 years of my life. I visited the site almost everyday. The lag and spam were minor problems that the mods always attempted to fix. I think the owners/mods of SF joined the Huddler system without knowing, what they were getting into. I KNOW they purposely wouldn't do anything to ruin the experience and community of SF. As they seemed to enjoy the community themselves. I don't like those saying SF sold out. They did what they thought was best for the forum while trying to bring in some revenue that they as owners deserved. While I think SF as we know it is done, I KNOW the mods will do their best to fix the issues and bring a little of the old SF back.
post #71 of 226
Stazy, LA Guy pretty much already said they're just pulling in whatever items they can in order to build a database for SEO purposes. That section of SF is effectively content farming. I don't think "reviews" for such low circulation items (with regards to the forum userbase) make a whole lot of sense. Does anyone write "reviews" of clothing items outside of shoes etc? Most of it is informal discussion between people in the know.
post #72 of 226
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Originally Posted by deveanddepot1
 
Cross post-

FWIW I don't blame the mods one bit. They have ALWAYS been and continue to be fantastic hosts. I enjoyed SF for a good 3 years of my life. I visited the site almost everyday. The lag and spam were minor problems that the mods always attempted to fix. I think the owners/mods of SF joined the Huddler system without knowing, what they were getting into. I KNOW they purposely wouldn't do anything to ruin the experience and community of SF. As they seemed to enjoy the community themselves. I don't like those saying SF sold out. They did what they thought was best for the forum while trying to bring in some revenue that they as owners deserved. While I think SF as we know it is done, I KNOW the mods will do their best to fix the issues and bring a little of the old SF back.

 

Big +1 to this.

 

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That quote from HeadFi with the quote from HTF is an inaccurate analysis based on incorrect interpretation of a poorly worded quote, probably from one of the engineers, who are typically good guys, but have a knack of making things sound terrible. [...] Contrary to what some conspiracy theorists on other sites think, fucking things up after you've invested a shitload of money is not a particularly viable business model. I would also take the assessment of disgruntled members of other sites with a grain of salt. You can look at the Alexa stats (which, btw, have issues of their own, but it's the best you can get without getting into proprietary information) for head-fi.org, and you'll see that the site remains dynamic. We are tracking things pretty carefully, and we are always responsive to the needs of our community.


I agree with that Fok, and I sure didn't mean to imply that fucking things up is in the plans so apologies if it read that way. Clearly, a shitload of salt is needed here but I still think that quote was relevant, in the end it's users' perception - be it accurate or not - that counts and that'll determine the fate of the forum.

 

Activity might stay the same or even pick up if Huddler claims are true (and I have no reason to doubt they are) but if core members start disinvolving themselves as Uncontrol pointed out, the risk is for the forum to turn into an empty shell: all flash (pun) and no substance.

 

It's not my place to judge the nature of the arrangement made with Huddler and maybe my post yesterday sounded a bit alarmist but after checking those various revamped forums and reading a bit on the company, I can't shake the feeling that its best interest and the community best interest don't completely align.

 

I hope to be proved wrong on all this and I must say that yours and J's involvement and openess in this transition is something I'm infinitely grateful for (and that seemed lacking on the other websites fwiw), hopefully it'll alter the outcome in a positive way.

post #73 of 226
I just find it shocking that a community software is lacking in so many obvious forum functions. I don't see what advantages this platform has over, say, vB4 -- at least from, again, a purely community member point of view.
post #74 of 226

You know what's more annoying than anything this new forum can throw at us? People constantly bitching about the new forum. We get it already.

post #75 of 226
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Originally Posted by KitAkira View Post

You know what's more annoying than anything this new forum can throw at us? People constantly bitching about the new forum. We get it already.


you're in a topic specifically about bitching about the new forum, so i'm not sure what you expected
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