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post #31 of 226
the site is insalely slow and the scroll down a loaded page is not smooth. Hope this gets sorted out. And yeah the grey bars on the index pages are a nuisance but not as bad as the load speed and jerky scroll.

Not a dis, but wanted to point these issues out.
post #32 of 226
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post

J, you provide a home and a hang out for us, and it would be very ingracious of us to complain about how you choose to run this great home you provide for us. we'll be patient, and it will be better than ever before with a little time

Perfectly put. Thanks, guys.
post #33 of 226
On the plus-side, it seems that the mod support is much better on the new site, to which mere mortals are oblivious, of course.
What I do notice is there is far less spam. So well done in that department.

On the neg-side, it seems the promised performance improvements have yet to materialize. The system was fast for the first 24h or so, but seems much more sluggish now. I wonder what the service level agreements are with Huddler, if you guys have an objective way of measuring performance, and if something can be done there. I would also be interested to know if you guys have a plan B, i.e., what if they can't deliver what was promised, can the database be ported back to vb? What would be lost in the transition?

I've reported quite a few bugs and incompatibilities, so I won't repeat them here.
But what I find very odd about the new system is its ..uh.. incoherence.
For example, there are at least 3 different ways to get to something resembling 'new posts'. Some get you to something that looks like the old vb new-post ('thread view'). Some get you to the activity view. Now, the activity view is nice because it shows you the number of new unread replies. But what sucks about it is the small number of threads it displays per 'page' compared to the other new-post, as well as its overly-dynamic nature (back buttons don't work well with those). If you click on a thread title in the activity view, it sends you to the first unread post. If you do it in thread view, it sends you to the first post. If you hover over a thread-view title line, it shows you the beginning of the post as a tooltip (like vb)., the activity view doesn't have that, however, it allows you to open the posts in a mini display that barely works with quotes (i.e., about 80% of posts).

It seems to me that when Huddler converts from vb, they are mostly concerned with 1st-level functionality, i.e., the basics of thread creation, replies, etc, and then with adding 'cool stuff'.
The 2nd-level functionality that serves as the backbone for a lot of use cases is a bit spotty, e.g., the whole subscription business, and the 'my posts/threads'. I find this lamentable since there are so many vb installations out there with millions of users, and this accumulated user experience has resulted in well thought-out features. Why not make sure to provide all the functionality of vb, and then add additional features afterwards?
post #34 of 226
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The upfront cost is zero. Instead, Huddler negotiates
for a share of incremental ad revenue driven by the overhaul.

Well now we know why the way ads are displayed is non-negotiable. Ouch.
post #35 of 226

 

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Well now we know why the way ads are displayed is non-negotiable. Ouch.


now we know why they are charging to post in B&S

post #36 of 226
Are images going to be included soon in the RSS feeds of the new B&S?
post #37 of 226
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now we know why they are charging to post in B&S

 

Maybe I missed something (if you don't mind taking a min to explain), how would charging to post in B&S be related to "The upfront cost is zero. Instead, Huddler negotiates for a share of incremental ad revenue driven by the overhaul."? I can see why the "ads are displayed is non-negotiable" which really really sucks IMO (as its cuts down 1/3 or so of the usable space. Wish they were at the top or at least 1 row and not 2), but I think the charging to post in B&S is just additional revenue. It would seem that letting people post an unlimited number of items for free would actually be better as there would be more pages aka more adds which generates more revenue?

 

PS - Something really needs to be done about ALL the white space. Every time I reply to a post I need to go and delete 2 blank lines above the reply and a few after the reply just to keep the white space down. The system also seems to be running even slower today at least on my computer Firefox 5.0.

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but I think the charging to post in B&S is just additional revenue. It would seem that letting people post an unlimited number of items for free would actually be better as there would be more pages aka more adds which generates more revenue?


 

ok you got me, i don't know what it achieves then

post #39 of 226
^ Income? SF is providing a surface that allows people to sell to an insanely targeted demographic; the fact that they went so long without charging is what I find surprising. I don't think anyone can knock them for that. Still beats eBay et al.
post #40 of 226
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^ Income? SF is providing a surface that allows people to sell to an insanely targeted demographic; the fact that they went so long without charging is what I find surprising. I don't think anyone can knock them for that. Still beats eBay et al.


Agree totally. I just didnt know how charging for posting items for sale in the B&S was related to the add revenue. Two totally different subjects, but thought I missed something and was curious.

 

 

post #41 of 226
And free booze for the ambassador program...
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Originally Posted by james_timothy View Post

And free booze for the ambassador program...


that will definitely be accepted with a smiling face

post #43 of 226

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Originally Posted by Uncontrol View Post

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The upfront cost is zero. Instead, Huddler negotiates
for a share of incremental ad revenue driven by the overhaul.

Well now we know why the way ads are displayed is non-negotiable. Ouch.

 


Ok bear with me, this is a long one.
 

 

I was curious to see how other forums were managing their transition to the Huddler platform so I did a bit of browsing around and the least I can say is that I'm not too optimistic about the future.

 

From the numerous feedback threads, the slowness seem to be a recurring problem even months after the launch (some of those website are on Huddler since 2010 apparently). A quick check on alexa.com shows that all the websites rate from "slow" to "very slow".

 

Aside from minor cosmetic differences, all the websites pretty much look the same as current version SF: same layouts, same vertical spacing and readability problems and same right-hand sidebar. I'm afraid these features are here to stay.

 

 

The thing is that Huddler is much more than just another forum platform like vBulletin
 

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In 2007, brothers Dan and Ted Gill realized that there were online discussion communities that had been using the same communication technologies for a decade or more. It also occurred to them that they could modernize and improve the functionality of these sites to make them more attractive to advertisers. So in April of that year, they created Huddler, which does just this [...]
 

Now they're scouring the web to find niche communities that might be valuable to advertisers. Mr. Gill believes there are at least 2,000 boards reaching 275 million people around the world that could be made into mini ad businesses. (source)

 

While I absolutely don't have a problem with that in principle, it seems that Huddler's focus is much less on the community side of the website and much more on all the adverstising/marketing side.

 

Here's a somewhat harsh assessment of the situation from a post on head-fi.org.

 

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Originally Posted by Superpredator

 

Huddler definitely seems like a partner of sorts, based on how they bill themselves, and the kind of involvement seen in this thread at Home Theater Forum.  Judging from that thread, I really don't think they're interested in major tweaks or changes. 

 

Originally Posted by Huddler rep on HTF
 
The Huddler platform is not vBulletin, and we have no interest in trying to copy everything that vBulletin does. In many ways, it's better--we believe that the wiki, product, and review features make the platform as a whole superior to what is offered in vBulletin. Having said that, because our development focus is on the platform as a whole, we can't spend as much time developing forum features which don't represent core functionality.

 

This guy basically spells out their view that the forum is only a part of the entire platform, which means to me that Head-Fi is clearly being transitioned from what was essentially a pure forum into a broader site with a wider range of content.  A lot of this new non-forum content is quantifiable, lending itself to deep user profiling.  Forum posts are mostly junk data to someone looking to heavily profile its users, and it would make sense that they would want to herd people away from the forum to more data-valuable sectors of the site, especially those that could be linked in to Facebook's social plugins/open graph protocol.  The widespread reaction to HF on Huddler thus far seems to indicate that the new model might not work so well.  It's no easy task to pull existing core functionality out from under the feet of users and have them stick around.  Just my impressions.

 

 

Now, I don't want to say this is 100% accurate but by the look of things it sure feels like the Huddler forum platform is an ersatz at most as shown by the loss of core forum functionality: no stickies, copy/paste pop-up window, no text to smiley conversion, poor search function etc etc. I understand this might still change or be caused by some bugs but the fact that other websites experienced the same problems a while ago and that we still do too today makes me sceptical.

 

What also struck me is that several members on these other websites mentionned how the forums felt "dead" since the transition which is something I've definitely been feeling these last couple of days. I can't quite explain it but it seems like the posting rate has been dropping significantly except for noob threads (I'm talking about SW&D here), maybe that's just in my head though, idk...

 

In any case I personally don't enjoy browsing the forum anymore. While I used to stick around and browse for a significant amount of time until last week, I now find myself checking one or two threads and then quickly moving on to something else. Everything just feels "fragmented" now which is the opposite of a community, I'm not sure it's something you "get used too". I don't know if many share the same feeling and I'm not saying this is the end of SF but I definitely think something is missing.

post #44 of 226


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Ok bear with me, this is a long one.
 

 

I was curious to see how other forums were managing their transition to the Huddler platform so I did a bit of browsing around and the least I can say is that I'm not too optimistic about the future.

 

From the numerous feedback threads, the slowness seem to be a recurring problem even months after the launch (some of those website are on Huddler since 2010 apparently). A quick check on alexa.com shows that all the websites rate from "slow" to "very slow".

 

Aside from minor cosmetic differences, all the websites pretty much look the same as current version SF: same layouts, same vertical spacing and readability problems and same right-hand sidebar. I'm afraid these features are here to stay.

 

 

The thing is that Huddler is much more than just another forum platform like vBulletin
 

 

While I absolutely don't have a problem with that in principle, it seems that Huddler's focus is much less on the community side of the website and much more on all the adverstising/marketing side.

 

Here's a somewhat harsh assessment of the situation from a post on head-fi.org.

 

 

Now, I don't want to say this is 100% accurate but by the look of things it sure feels like the Huddler forum platform is an ersatz at most as shown by the loss of core forum functionality: no stickies, copy/paste pop-up window, no text to smiley conversion, poor search function etc etc. I understand this might still change or be caused by some bugs but the fact that other websites experienced the same problems a while ago and that we still do too today makes me sceptical.

 

What also struck me is that several members on these other websites mentionned how the forums felt "dead" since the transition which is something I've definitely been feeling these last couple of days. I can't quite explain it but it seems like the posting rate has been dropping significantly except for noob threads (I'm talking about SW&D here), maybe that's just in my head though, idk...

 

In any case I personally don't enjoy browsing the forum anymore. While I used to stick around and browse for a significant amount of time until last week, I now find myself checking one or two threads and then quickly moving on to something else. Everything just feels "fragmented" now which is the opposite of a community, I'm not sure it's something you "get used too". I don't know if many share the same feeling and I'm not saying this is the end of SF but I definitely think something is missing.



 

 

 

 

cry.gifcensored.gifcrazy.gif i really hope what you wrote isn't going to be the case here or we're screwed

 

 

 

post #45 of 226
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In any case I personally don't enjoy browsing the forum anymore. While I used to stick around and browse for a significant amount of time until last week, I now find myself checking one or two threads and then quickly moving on to something else. Everything just feels "fragmented" now which is the opposite of a community, I'm not sure it's something you "get used too". I don't know if many share the same feeling and I'm not saying this is the end of SF but I definitely think something is missing.

Nailed it.
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