Not a dis, but wanted to point these issues out.
Not a dis, but wanted to point these issues out.
Maybe I missed something (if you don't mind taking a min to explain), how would charging to post in B&S be related to "The upfront cost is zero. Instead, Huddler negotiates for a share of incremental ad revenue driven by the overhaul."? I can see why the "ads are displayed is non-negotiable" which really really sucks IMO (as its cuts down 1/3 or so of the usable space. Wish they were at the top or at least 1 row and not 2), but I think the charging to post in B&S is just additional revenue. It would seem that letting people post an unlimited number of items for free would actually be better as there would be more pages aka more adds which generates more revenue?
PS - Something really needs to be done about ALL the white space. Every time I reply to a post I need to go and delete 2 blank lines above the reply and a few after the reply just to keep the white space down. The system also seems to be running even slower today at least on my computer Firefox 5.0.
ok you got me, i don't know what it achieves then
Agree totally. I just didnt know how charging for posting items for sale in the B&S was related to the add revenue. Two totally different subjects, but thought I missed something and was curious.
Ok bear with me, this is a long one.
I was curious to see how other forums were managing their transition to the Huddler platform so I did a bit of browsing around and the least I can say is that I'm not too optimistic about the future.
From the numerous feedback threads, the slowness seem to be a recurring problem even months after the launch (some of those website are on Huddler since 2010 apparently). A quick check on alexa.com shows that all the websites rate from "slow" to "very slow".
Aside from minor cosmetic differences, all the websites pretty much look the same as current version SF: same layouts, same vertical spacing and readability problems and same right-hand sidebar. I'm afraid these features are here to stay.
The thing is that Huddler is much more than just another forum platform like vBulletin
Now they're scouring the web to find niche communities that might be valuable to advertisers. Mr. Gill believes there are at least 2,000 boards reaching 275 million people around the world that could be made into mini ad businesses. (source)
While I absolutely don't have a problem with that in principle, it seems that Huddler's focus is much less on the community side of the website and much more on all the adverstising/marketing side.
Here's a somewhat harsh assessment of the situation from a post on head-fi.org.
Originally Posted by Superpredator
Huddler definitely seems like a partner of sorts, based on how they bill themselves, and the kind of involvement seen in this thread at Home Theater Forum. Judging from that thread, I really don't think they're interested in major tweaks or changes.
This guy basically spells out their view that the forum is only a part of the entire platform, which means to me that Head-Fi is clearly being transitioned from what was essentially a pure forum into a broader site with a wider range of content. A lot of this new non-forum content is quantifiable, lending itself to deep user profiling. Forum posts are mostly junk data to someone looking to heavily profile its users, and it would make sense that they would want to herd people away from the forum to more data-valuable sectors of the site, especially those that could be linked in to Facebook's social plugins/open graph protocol. The widespread reaction to HF on Huddler thus far seems to indicate that the new model might not work so well. It's no easy task to pull existing core functionality out from under the feet of users and have them stick around. Just my impressions.
Now, I don't want to say this is 100% accurate but by the look of things it sure feels like the Huddler forum platform is an ersatz at most as shown by the loss of core forum functionality: no stickies, copy/paste pop-up window, no text to smiley conversion, poor search function etc etc. I understand this might still change or be caused by some bugs but the fact that other websites experienced the same problems a while ago and that we still do too today makes me sceptical.
What also struck me is that several members on these other websites mentionned how the forums felt "dead" since the transition which is something I've definitely been feeling these last couple of days. I can't quite explain it but it seems like the posting rate has been dropping significantly except for noob threads (I'm talking about SW&D here), maybe that's just in my head though, idk...
In any case I personally don't enjoy browsing the forum anymore. While I used to stick around and browse for a significant amount of time until last week, I now find myself checking one or two threads and then quickly moving on to something else. Everything just feels "fragmented" now which is the opposite of a community, I'm not sure it's something you "get used too". I don't know if many share the same feeling and I'm not saying this is the end of SF but I definitely think something is missing.