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post #166 of 226
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post


I think China likes to operate it's own ad networks, and certain ad networks from outside the PRC are blocked or slowed down. e.g. Google's AdSense and DoubleClick. Probably the same with some tracking and usage networks. I did try using a proxy as well to view SF, but it didn't seem to make much difference.

However all is not bad, I found a good way to browse and post on SF with phones and tablets, Opera Mini. http://www.opera.com/mobile/ Works on Android, Blackberry, iOS, Symbian, Windows Mobile and Java. Opera's servers compress and process complex webpages rendering them suitable for viewing on a mobile device using the Opera Mini client. Seems to work just fine with SF2.0, loads quick as well. Great for anyone with a limited 3G data allowance, because Opera Mini is only downloading a highly compressed version of the site.

About the CPU hogging and the long loading times, I think I solved this as well. I have Ghostery for Chrome, this shows what third-party ad and tracking networks a site uses. So I could possibly see what was causing the hangups. It showed Facebook, Google Adsense, Google Analytics and Quantcast. I know Facebook is unreachable here, if one tries to access Facebook.com directly, the browser will just sit there repeatedly sending requests to a server which is not there. Some of Google's non-Chinese services are blocked or can be very slow.

So I've added the domains for these sites into my hosts file, along with a few others like DoubleClick, Comscore and Omniture. This means that any browser on my computer will get an immediate 'Not found.', instead of fruitlessly trying to access a third-party site it can't get to. Doing this seems to have improved quite a few sites for me, although these where not as bad as SF.

There is another thing which I've observed with some websites, not because they're blocked, is that they'll ignore HTTP requests from Chinese IP addresses. Presumably because of security concerns, botnet DDoS attacks, hacking, much of which seems to originate from China. So what happens the browser appears to be loading a page, but will just sit there repeatedly sending HTTP requests and eventually gives up after a couple of minutes.

Done the same on my UMPC/Netbook hosts file and SF appears to be usable on there, although it's not perfect, there is still much horizontal scrolling here.

Of course I'm no longer being tracked by any of these peeps anywhere, biggrin.gif
hehe. Thanks for figuring these things out. tbh, we never really even thought about readers in China (no offense,) or about the unique issues there. Sorry for the oversight.

Cheers,

Fok.
post #167 of 226
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Yeah, that was the point. I agree that the graphics could be tightened up. I think that the first thing we will do is to decrease the length of the descriptions, which are pretty wordy and which we often wrote in jest. Then we'll look at layout issues.

Uncontrol posted an example of a good forum layout which allows you to see what's going on in a forum without scrolling. You guys should change the SF forum view to look like this:
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Originally Posted by Uncontrol View Post

Because they are. Not bragging at all -- my site is incomparable to SF in terms of scale or content -- but compare my threadlisting to the one here:

http://harajuju.net/Forum-Style-and-Fashion

The one on SF right now is just hard to read; it confuses your eyes trying to find the relevant information.
post #168 of 226
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Originally Posted by sellahi22 View Post

Uncontrol posted an example of a good forum layout which allows you to see what's going on in a forum without scrolling. You guys should change the SF forum view to look like this:
We will tighten up the graphics, but, with all due respect to Uncontrol, because I am sure that he is proud of his forum, that is not a good example of good use of vertical and horizontal space. On a maximized view, I can see 2 forums, that's it. And the titles and descriptions are not particularly information rich, either.

We are looking at other forums, websites, etc... and consulting with a variety of graphic designers (one of our original mods is actually a graphic designer), and we will tighten up the look of the forum, however.
post #169 of 226
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

We will tighten up the graphics, but, with all due respect to Uncontrol, because I am sure that he is proud of his forum, that is not a good example of good use of vertical and horizontal space. On a maximized view, I can see 2 forums, that's it. And the titles and descriptions are not particularly information rich, either.

I don't understand what you mean. What horizontal space is wasted? I think that his forum gives exactly the type and amount of information that people want in a threadlisting. Any other info is superfluous. Even if it could be improved, its about 50 million times better than the current mess on SF.

You guys are well intentioned but unfortunately you consistently have the wrong intuitions about what forums should look like. Maybe you should consider doing a poll.
post #170 of 226

IMO below is all the info you need. I know all the other info is "helpful" and the pictures are nice, but you can have those as a rollover  / hover over if you really want. It gives the buyers the best opportunity to browse though a lot of posts quickly (like the old forum which most people liked) and if they see one they want to get some more info on, all they do is put the mouse on it. If they like it then they click it. There is way too much scrolling in the forums right now.

 

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post #171 of 226
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Originally Posted by Brianpore View Post

IMO below is all the info you need. I know all the other info is "helpful" and the pictures are nice, but you can have those as a rollover  / hover over if you really want. It gives the buyers the best opportunity to browse though a lot of posts quickly (like the old forum which most people liked) and if they see one they want to get some more info on, all they do is put the mouse on it. If they like it then they click it. There is way too much scrolling in the forums right now.


Brianpore, that's an awesome mockup. That's exactly how the threadlisting should appear, in B&S, in the regular forums, and in search results.
post #172 of 226
To those who are complaining about the pages and forum loading slow and taking forever try this: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Firefox-Load-Pages-Faster
Just a few tweaks to your about:config settings and things work much much faster. Really worked for me.
post #173 of 226

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Originally Posted by sellahi22 View Post

Brianpore, that's an awesome mockup. That's exactly how the threadlisting should appear, in B&S, in the regular forums, and in search results.


as awesome as it is, it's not going to be implemented unfortunately. the pictures and other stuff are staying. BUT i am sure B&S will return to the days of old very shortly.

post #174 of 226
Originally Posted by davesmith View Post

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as awesome as it is, it's not going to be implemented unfortunately. the pictures and other stuff are staying. BUT i am sure B&S will return to the days of old very shortly.


I know, it just makes no sense to me. The pictures and other stuff can stay in the form of a rollover and it accomplishes the same thing, by giving more info before you click the item. In addition, it doubles the amount of threads you can view on the pages. It's just my opinion. If they had a poll, my off the cuff guess is that 70+% of the people would choose something like I mocked up where you have "less" info and can just glance at the page.

post #175 of 226
I love SF.... I used to love SF

I know this does not help but I seriously needed to protest against the changes to SF, especially to B&S

The B&S is now seriously awful... Trying to make it look (and work like ebay - paid listing) is ridiculous! If I wanted ebay, I would have gone to ebay...

SF B&S used to be a niche 'product' that other commercial websites simply can't compete with... now it is just an inferior ebay.

Even worst, where was the consultation or at least a warning for this change? Nil... just a change imposed top-down on users and members of the SF community.

I thank the moderators and administrators/owners of the site for the good times and you guys have done a great job until very recently.... I also don't question your intentions with the change but know that we are also part of the SF community and deserve some say over changes this drastic.
post #176 of 226
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Originally Posted by viccollz View Post

I love SF.... I used to love SF
I know this does not help but I seriously needed to protest against the changes to SF, especially to B&S

The B&S is now seriously awful... Trying to make it look (and work like ebay - paid listing) is ridiculous! If I wanted ebay, I would have gone to ebay...

SF B&S used to be a niche 'product' that other commercial websites simply can't compete with... now it is just an inferior ebay.

Even worst, where was the consultation or at least a warning for this change? Nil... just a change imposed top-down on users and members of the SF community.

I thank the moderators and administrators/owners of the site for the good times and you guys have done a great job until very recently.... I also don't question your intentions with the change but know that we are also part of the SF community and deserve some say over changes this drastic.

I need to clear up a misconception. There was a "sandbox" version of this new system that started in March of this year, and went on until a few days before the new system was actually implemented. Over 120 users were in the sandbox system. Over 40 of these were invited specifically to review the B&S system. The B&S system was the newest part of the system, and even with consultation with many sellers, we knew that it would have to be adjusted the most. It is not possible to put everything to a poll test, but a lot of people were consulted in the development of the new system.

That said, changes to B&S are coming very soon. We want a system that is useful and reasonably familiar to new users, most of whom are used to interfaces very different from forum technology, which is very old, but responsive to the needs of existing sellers and buyers, who are used to, and like, the old VB system. I think that Spoo and I, in consultation with a lot of MC members (where the bulk of the action takes place in B&S, and were most of the problems in the old system were occurring, have made something that will do both.

Though I cannot make you do so, I hope that you will stay around to see the forum evolve.
post #177 of 226
I have to agree with all the posts here. The new system is just missing everything I once loved about the site. The only way I can browse this site is with Google Chrome (which is not my default browser) on my work PC. I don't even pull up the site at home on my Core Duo Macbook w/ Safari, it's far too laggy to be usable. While I expect those issues to get worked out, I am horribly disappointed in the B/S forums. I'm glad to hear changes are on the horizon and I do trust the moderators of the site have the best intentions, but its just a mess right now. The single item listings force me to scroll through a huge boring list of 15+ dress shirts that aren't my size/ I don't want or 20 ties in a row. I understand there's a sort feature but part of the charm of B/S was browsing the page and seeing the new listings from reputable sellers like Steve Smith or others and lucking out on something.As described before, it just seems like a laggy Ebay with much less items and at this point is not even worth me returning to. I used to spend hours on this site, and in the past week or so I have probably logged on 3-5 times for < 5 minutes. The reviews (while I understand their purpose to bring in new google traffic) are laughable and clutter the entire experience. Who needs to read a review of board shorts, a tie, or a dress shirt? It doesn't translate to the SF experience at all.

I hate to say it but if major changes are not introduced or we bail out of this garbage Huddler format, I'll probably not be back much on SF, which really disappoints me because I used to be on here all the time. I've sold and bought tons of items on the B/S and wouldn't have minded a similar system with a relatively inexpensive ($5-10) monthly access charge. This current $5-$50/week system seems just out of this world and something I'm not really willing to participate in.

I hope this can get worked out or SF bails out of this Huddler system and moves to something like VB4.
post #178 of 226
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Originally Posted by cioni2k View Post

The reviews (while I understand their purpose to bring in new google traffic) are laughable and clutter the entire experience. Who needs to read a review of board shorts, a tie, or a dress shirt? It doesn't translate to the SF experience at all.

The reviews really detract from the forum experience for me. It's information I just don't care about. If I want to know about a product, I'll search for the information and find reviews from sources I trust. The random products reviewed by random people are taking up space that should be occupied by information I actually care about.
post #179 of 226
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


I need to clear up a misconception. There was a "sandbox" version of this new system that started in March of this year, and went on until a few days before the new system was actually implemented. Over 120 users were in the sandbox system. Over 40 of these were invited specifically to review the B&S system. The B&S system was the newest part of the system, and even with consultation with many sellers, we knew that it would have to be adjusted the most. It is not possible to put everything to a poll test, but a lot of people were consulted in the development of the new system.

That said, changes to B&S are coming very soon. We want a system that is useful and reasonably familiar to new users, most of whom are used to interfaces very different from forum technology, which is very old, but responsive to the needs of existing sellers and buyers, who are used to, and like, the old VB system. I think that Spoo and I, in consultation with a lot of MC members (where the bulk of the action takes place in B&S, and were most of the problems in the old system were occurring, have made something that will do both.

Though I cannot make you do so, I hope that you will stay around to see the forum evolve.

Thanks for hearing the voices re:B&S and for taking quick action (hopefully) to make it better. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

If I can be of any assistance, please feel free to PM me.
post #180 of 226
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

hehe. Thanks for figuring these things out. tbh, we never really even thought about readers in China (no offense,) or about the unique issues there. Sorry for the oversight.

Cheers,

Fok.

That's OK Fok. I'm actually happy now. I can browse SF on my phone with Opera Mini, and with the hosts file blocking of all those third-party tracking and ad sites on my PC. These changes have made SF a good experience again. Also the information I posted might be useful to other people browsing SF from China.
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