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post #46 of 83
Fok,

I'm only going to comment regarding the new forum design, since I really don't utilize B&S. Frankly the Ad placement is, as stated by what seems to me to be a majority of the members, very badly executed. They take up too much space, are completely intrusive to the reading process, the cause the reader to excessively scroll down. Take a look at the best sites out there, and you will see that clutter-less beats clutter every time. The forum should be like a modern California mansion, not Schloss Neuschwanstein, not because of a personal choice, because its what works best. Just compare Yahoo with Google. Which one would you rather use?

As a preface let me state that the forum should have ads, if not how else will the forum subsidize its existence? And if the forum does more than break-even and is in fact a going concern, even better. However, you have stated that the Ad placement won't change and that you liked the ads:
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

The right hand margin is not going away. It's a feature of the new system which I actually liked (it drew me in, and I tend to like ads), but that's where j had a better feel than did I about people liking it.
Do you like the ads because you genuinely like the visual / GUI looks of them or rather, do you like that you can increase the sites revenue streams?

I also understand that the forum wishes to add more content and links are placed in-between the ads, but they only add to the clutter, which makes the site even more difficult to read, scroll and navigate. I suggest that you reexamine the site utilizing the KISS philosophy of design.

I think its very positive that you guys asked for feedback and added a whole subfora for discussion. Hopefully it leads to a better site experience.
post #47 of 83
The biggest problem with the ads and "reviews" shilling sponsor's products are that styleforum is really two sites: mc & sw&d. I -- and I'm sure I'm not alone here -- find the SW&D stuff to be obnoxious. I don't want it crammed in my face all the time. Surely there has to be some way to better segregate the two.
post #48 of 83
re: selling on B&S. sorry if i didnt see where this is covered, but i looked and couldnt find it:

if i have an existing selling thread, which after the move is now in the archives, do i need to post new individual threads for each of the items in the new B&S forum? i have 6 different items...so - 6 new threads?

i dont want to break any rules
post #49 of 83
Hi,

Yes, please post 6 different items, unless they are dutch auction (same item, same price), or if they are in the same category, and no item is above $25 USD shipped. We are trying to have a more easioly searchable B&S. Thanks for helping!

CHeers,

Fok.
post #50 of 83
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Originally Posted by imageWIS View Post

Do you like the ads because you genuinely like the visual / GUI looks of them or rather, do you like that you can increase the sites revenue streams?

I actually find the layout more visually attractive. I find ads on the side to be less intrusive, but like J and I discussed, I work on a large monitor most of the time. J uses a smaller monitor. I am using a 10" screen no though. So apparently, it's a matter of my aesthetic sensibilities being in the minority.

I will ask the developers to make the full screen option the default. I realize that it will not allleviate all problems, but hopefully, that will help.
post #51 of 83
I downloaded the ad block web browser for iPad and the pages load much much faster. Earlier while the content used to load quickly, the ads would take ages. Now no ads. I disabled java script as well but then the quick reply box didn't work. Also the icons in the quick reply box which were huge in the default iPad browser are ok in the ad block browser
post #52 of 83
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The biggest problem with the ads and "reviews" shilling sponsor's products are that styleforum is really two sites: mc & sw&d. I -- and I'm sure I'm not alone here -- find the SW&D stuff to be obnoxious.

I think the current content of the reviews isn't really all that popular in SW&D either. It'll take time before the its filled with SF-aesthetic stuff and words.
post #53 of 83
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Originally Posted by james_timothy View Post


I think the current content of the reviews isn't really all that popular in SW&D either. It'll take time before the its filled with SF-aesthetic stuff and words.

We hope to populate that with better products soon. It would be great if users populated it, and we will have some sort of incentive system.

Cheers,

Fok.
post #54 of 83
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Originally Posted by aj_del View Post

I downloaded the ad block web browser for iPad and the pages load much much faster. Earlier while the content used to load quickly, the ads would take ages. Now no ads. I disabled java script as well but then the quick reply box didn't work. Also the icons in the quick reply box which were huge in the default iPad browser are ok in the ad block browser

Thanks for the heads up. I guess I will need to do the same.
post #55 of 83
Overall, I felt the site was 2 steps forward and 1 step back.

1. Lots of stuff on the main page requires content for it to be useful. Not sure what the incentive is for people to post that content (e.g. clothing product review) and with the amount of unique stuff that comes in, the value might not be there for specific categories of items. I can see it work for some of the more commonly acquired goods like Saphir products or shoe tress or shoes.

2. Site is significantly slower and takes longer to load.

3. Too much spacing. The new ads on the right site take up a tremendous amount of space. While I understand the need for it, the amount of space it takes feels rather obnoxious. 30% reduction would be ideal but the need for a revenue stream to keep the site going might trump the desire to cater to forum users, which is understandable.

If the right ad space is going to take up that much space, I would prefer the left side with the avatars and what not have the space reduced dramatically. Not much value on that side. Content in the middle is suffering.

Also, not sure what happened but vertical spacing was increased by quite a bit. Threads take forever to scroll. Couple that with a slower site makes for an aggravating experience sometimes.

4. Love the new B&S as a shopper although I would like to have stickies back. I'm not sure if it's working for vendors though because there are a lot fewer items listed. At the end of the day, the B&S site is driven by vendor's goods and the ease they encounter in posting items, perhaps vendors need to provide some input on how to make it more efficient for them.


Overall, I think it was a good improvement, just need to tweak it a bit. Great job guys!
Edited by Fraiche - 7/18/11 at 10:16am
post #56 of 83
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Originally Posted by aj_del View Post

I downloaded the ad block web browser for iPad and the pages load much much faster. Earlier while the content used to load quickly, the ads would take ages. Now no ads. I disabled java script as well but then the quick reply box didn't work. Also the icons in the quick reply box which were huge in the default iPad browser are ok in the ad block browser

I'll give this a try, it sounds like a fix for the current snail's pace of SF pages loading on my iPad.
post #57 of 83
X post from TransMod, but....


Can I make a suggestion for the new B&S? Im sure you are all tired of hearing what could be different, considering all the work you put into it, but from someone who has sold $30,000+ and bought just as much on it, maybe I can offer some improvements...

1. I feel the urgency is gone from a new listing. Mostly in fact because the page views are not prominent. Half the fun and key to grabbing fast sales on the old thread was getting in there first, and beating everyone else out. When you saw (well, when I saw) a thread with 1 page view, I knew it was fresh and the whole thread was filled with possibility.

2. The preview of the text IMO should be totally removed from the main page. If the seller puts most of the valid information in the first 100 characters of the post, I dont even bother clicking on it, because most of the information is visible. There could be tons more info in there, but if I get the "gist" of the item by seeing the preview, I wont even click on it and I could be missing something by default assumption.

3. The number of replies is missing from the main page, and I think this is hugely important. Even if replies do not warrant bumps, I dont feel inspired to reply to a sale post. Im pretty sure nobody else does either, because since the new system has been initiated, nobody really replies to a thread. There should be a reply count posted on the main page - a hot item or an item with a bad/good provenance will get attention, and more people will click. The more clicks, the more buys.

There are other niggles that I can get into, but these are the most prominent issues for me. I used to refresh B&S like 40x daily - seriously - because I knew the urgency was there to "get in" as soon as a thread was posted... thats 99% gone lately, but I think by correcting these three things, it would help a bit. Other sellers and buyer can chime in if I am speaking for myself or the masses, but I really think that these small fixes would go a long way.
post #58 of 83
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Originally Posted by james_timothy View Post


I think the current content of the reviews isn't really all that popular in SW&D either. It'll take time before the its filled with SF-aesthetic stuff and words.

I agree. I've been telling our affiliates, both on the MC and SW&D side, to please feel free, in fact, please, post items. I think that is a win-win situation for everyone. For the affiliates, you get free publicity, for us, there is more content about specific products, which decreases clutter in the main forum from search engine traffic casual users asking questions about specific products for which there is already a review page - yes, it could decrease the content, but that is unlikely, since the majority of questions are about sizing and availability, rather than questions that stimulate discussion.

I think that we will start an incentivve program soon. Something like, first to 100 reviews gets a custom title and a fgifts certificate, or something like that.

I dunno. Fee free to post ideas.

Cheers,

Fok.
post #59 of 83
+1 on removing previews.

Firstly, the previews include HTML tags in there. 2ndly, the performance impact with the javascript coupled with the extra SQL data you're pulling from the backend to populate it is far too significant to ignore. The value of the JS menus, previews is miniscule if things take twice as much time to load.
post #60 of 83
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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

X post from TransMod, but....


Can I make a suggestion for the new B&S? Im sure you are all tired of hearing what could be different, considering all the work you put into it, but from someone who has sold $30,000+ and bought just as much on it, maybe I can offer some improvements...

Thanks Spoo. Lessee, I'll bring these all up in our next sit down, since B&S will be a big issue. OF course, there are bugs that need to be fixed. Features are harder to get implemented, but here are my honest opinions of what could probably be done:
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1. I feel the urgency is gone from a new listing. Mostly in fact because the page views are not prominent. Half the fun and key to grabbing fast sales on the old thread was getting in there first, and beating everyone else out. When you saw (well, when I saw) a thread with 1 page view, I knew it was fresh and the whole thread was filled with possibility.
Hmmm... could you elaborate bit more? This was never a driving force for me (it was really about the item category and brand, but I'd really like to hear where/how you'd envision it being more prominent. Bolded? Heavier font? Am I missing the boat altogether?
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2. The preview of the text IMO should be totally removed from the main page. If the seller puts most of the valid information in the first 100 characters of the post, I dont even bother clicking on it, because most of the information is visible. There could be tons more info in there, but if I get the "gist" of the item by seeing the preview, I wont even click on it and I could be missing something by default assumption.
I'm guessing that this would be the easiest thing to do. Is this a sentiment shared by others? Informal show of hands?
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3. The number of replies is missing from the main page, and I think this is hugely important. Even if replies do not warrant bumps, I dont feel inspired to reply to a sale post. Im pretty sure nobody else does either, because since the new system has been initiated, nobody really replies to a thread. There should be a reply count posted on the main page - a hot item or an item with a bad/good provenance will get attention, and more people will click. The more clicks, the more buys.
I can try to get this implemented - honestly, it never even occurred to me that this was important, and I do a fair bit of research on buyer behavior. Of course, metrics are difficult to calculate, and even when done correctly, are often just... wrong. I guess that missed this completely. Another straw poll please? I need some numbers if I am going to have any credibility going into the meeting.

One question I have for Spoo. Right now, the archived forum is quite active. Do you think that leaving it open is actually discouraging adoption of the new system?
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There are other niggles that I can get into, but these are the most prominent issues for me. I used to refresh B&S like 40x daily - seriously - because I knew the urgency was there to "get in" as soon as a thread was posted... thats 99% gone lately, but I think by correcting these three things, it would help a bit. Other sellers and buyer can chime in if I am speaking for myself or the masses, but I really think that these small fixes would go a long way.
Please do. We made the new system because the other one was becoming a constant source of complaints, and a source of burdensome moderation. I'm going to say it - it has cost the developers and us something to the tune of $25K to build the system, which was one of the things custom built for us, so we are very interested in any suggestions to improve the B&S system, whether in the rules (obviously easier - for example, you can list your other items, which brings back that bazaar feel. That rule was implemented because of user feedback in the sandbox period), or in fixes of the type the Spoo suggests. For obvious reasons, while the bugs will get fixed, the developers are going to be sort of pissed if I keep on asking for more features, and getting more work done is going to take some pretty convincing arguments from me. So, help me out here, people.

P.S. Please don't ask for things like "A system that works like Yoox or Zappos" because that system costs a few million and a year of many developers time. Yeah, I know, I wanted that too.
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