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post #1 of 94
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When I first read this I though you have got to be kidding but sadly no. How mad are these tea party fools. From todays SMH

REPUBLICANS SEE LIGHT ON GLOBE BAN

WASHINGTON: Republicans in Congress are pressing for a vote today on one of the stranger elements of their environmental agenda - a ban on the adoption of energy-efficient lightbulbs.
A bill, championed by presidential contender Michele Bachmann and others, would repeal a law phasing out incandescent bulbs from 2012.
Energy-saving bulbs were seen as an entirely harmless innovation - even by the same Republicans who now oppose them - when the lighting efficiency measure was signed into law by the then President, George W. Bush, as part of a broader energy package>
The 2007 law would have started phasing out old-fashioned 100-watt bulbs starting in January, with an aim of making lightbulbs more than 25 per cent efficient. Incandescent bulbs emit most of the energy they consume as heat.
The Republican chair of the energy and commerce committee, Fred Upton, supported the original law. The initiative also had the support of lighting manufacturers.
But the new breed of Tea Party conservatives has cast the promotion of the more efficient lights as a shining example of needless government interference.
They also argue that the bulbs cost more than the old-fashioned variety and are health hazards, because they contain mercury. But their most passionately voiced argument is freedom. Hanging on to the old-style bulbs is really about personal liberty, they say.
''This is about more than just energy consumption, it is about personal freedom,'' Joe Barton, the Texas Republican behind the new bill, said in a statement.
''Voters sent us a message, in November, that it is time for politicians and activists in Washington to stop interfering in their lives and manipulating the free market. The lightbulb ban is the perfect symbol of that frustration. People don't want Congress dictating what light fixtures they can use.''
post #2 of 94
They're not "mad" for wanting to change a law that was fucking retarded to begin with. Forcing people to pay six dollars for a new "efficient" light bulb compared to 25 cents is silly. For that matter, forcing people to buy 25 cent bulbs is silly.
post #3 of 94
I agree that many of today's Republicans are near if not totally mad, but this former Berkeley resident and liberal -- by SF standards -- wants his incandescent bulbs.

That said, these days most of the blubs in my house are low voltage halogen ... except for the spaces where we want the warmth of an incandescent glow. A CFL just can't give one that kind of light. While CFL's have improved in recent years, I still find the quality of their light to differ (in terms of color) from that of an incandescent bulb.

Also, I really like the ability to dim my lighting ... and almost every switch in my house offers that option. While some CFLs offer dimming capability, the result is very different. CFL's dim 25% at most ... which is no where near enough. It's next to impossible when going for that low soft 'mood' lighting offered by an incandescent fixture on a rheostat.

I'm going to stock up on some incandescents ... and use them until I'm convinced that low efficacy lighting can offer me what I want.
post #4 of 94
its not a pub/dem thing. I hate the light those CFLs give off...they arent as bright. And I also dont think da guhbmint can tell me what f*cking LIGHTBULBS i can/cant buy.
post #5 of 94
The ban is a good idea. The only reason the "market" hasn't pushed incandescent bulbs into the history books is because most consumers don't realize that CFLs are cheaper over the life of the bulb. The potential engery savings from the ban is huge. Energy use from lighting could be cut by two-thirds. This is an area where the government needs to step in to save consumers from their own ignorance.
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Originally Posted by bmf895 View Post
The ban is a good idea. The only reason the "market" hasn't pushed incandescent bulbs into the history books is because most consumers don't realize that CFLs are cheaper over the life of the bulb. The potential engery savings from the ban is huge. Energy use from lighting could be cut by two-thirds. This is an area where the government needs to step in to save consumers from their own ignorance.

this idea that the govt needs to "save consumers from their ignorance" is utter bullshit. plain and simple.
post #7 of 94
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this idea that the govt needs to "save consumers from their ignorance" is utter bullshit. plain and simple.

You're missing the point. The role of government is to serve the interests of society. Americans are using too much energy from fossil fuel. The environment is suffering as a result. This law helps reduce energy use, saves consumers money, and industry supports it. There is no reasonable argument against it. This is just a case of conservatives grandstanding.
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You're missing the point. The role of government is to serve the interests of society. Americans are using too much energy from fossil fuel. The environment is suffering as a result. This law helps reduce energy use, saves consumers money, and industry supports it. There is no reasonable argument against it. This is just a case of conservatives grandstanding.

Is taking away mah freedums!elventy!!!!
post #9 of 94
First they came for the lightbulbs, but I didn't speak out because I was not a lightbulb?.....
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Is taking away mah freedums!elventy!!!!
Michele Bachmann gives Libertarianism a bad name. Of all the restrictions on personal liberty she choses to lampoon: light bulbs. Give me a break. This is going to be one entertaining election.
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Originally Posted by bmf895 View Post
You're missing the point. The role of government is to serve the interests of society. Americans are using too much energy from fossil fuel. The environment is suffering as a result. This law helps reduce energy use, saves consumers money, and industry supports it. There is no reasonable argument against it. This is just a case of conservatives grandstanding.

In your world, is there anything the government can't do "to serve the interests of society"?
post #12 of 94
Save your slippery slope card. We're talking about fucking light bulbs. Can you give me any other reason why the law is bad?
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First they came for the lightbulbs, but I didn't speak out because I was not a lightbulb?.....

Please don't go down this path...
post #14 of 94
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Save your slippery slope card. We're talking about fucking light bulbs. Can you give me any other reason why the law is bad?

No, that is the *only* reason.
post #15 of 94
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Originally Posted by bmf895 View Post
You're missing the point. The role of government is to serve the interests of society. Americans are using too much energy from fossil fuel. The environment is suffering as a result. This law helps reduce energy use, saves consumers money, and industry supports it. There is no reasonable argument against it. This is just a case of conservatives grandstanding.
LOL. Dumb poster is dumb. The industry supports it because it forces people to replace all their bulbs with ones that are 10x as expensive. You know, "corporate welfare" and all.
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