Originally Posted by pvrhye
Got a continuum here of quality? I'm a bit curious. I'm imagining things like Lees near the bottom and APC near the top.
Levi's, Lee, and Wrangler have lines dedicated to both the average Joe and those looking for a little more. Levi's high-end program (LVC) is unquestionably the better of the three as they have a bigger collection every season of tops and bottoms not limited to denim, and they also have a better denim program. Lee has Lee 101 and Lee Gold Label, which run from expensive Japanese reproductions to made in Poland with Japanese selvage jeans that are in the lower-mid price range ($200). Wrangler has Blue Bell but it's a relatively small program.
The point being that just saying that someone has a pair of Lee's doesn't automatically mean they're crap.
That said, to answer your question I'd actually put Lee above APC as denim-wise Lee uses a better, well-known mill (Kaihara.) Keep in mind, APC is $175 retail and considered the ultimate beginner pair of jeans. Frankly, there are far more interesting jeans in that price range.
Originally Posted by laphroaig
Originally Posted by apropos
Yet another list of generalizations and misunderstandings. Great.Most people on SW&D buy the jeans they do because of craftsmanship.
You're stuck on the idea that our purchases are justified by the notion that we'll do anything to look like coal miners from the 1920s. Craftsmanship.
Is there authenticity in craftsmanship? Absolutely, just as there is with a good suit. Typically, the craftsmanship is where the authenticity stops because a good chunk of SW&D doesn't wear jeans based off the 501 design; it's considered baggy and MC-like.
I'll ask it again: Why is that MCers have no trouble having their jeans built by robots or children in Tunisia using the cheapest materials but would GASP at walking into a JC Penney's and buying a OTR suit?
But for you to call MC "avant-garde" is absolutely, positively, 100% laughable. I invite you to take a scroll through our WAYWT and see how many 1950s ranchers you see.
Actually, the majority of people in SW&D are post-grad, myself included, who wear job-appropriate clothes when at work. Some are even professionals that do not have strict dress codes. Is it really that difficult to imagine a job that doesn't involve a suit doesn't necessarily require coveralls or a safety helmet?
Your $.02 point out just how out of touch you are with the SW&D community. Hopefully, that bothers you enough to investigate your prejudices.
Originally Posted by Nicola
But that's the thing. All those things you mentioned are details you can change.
I'm not a mind reader but judging by the photos that didn't include any of those options I think it's safe to assume why I'd believe they're trousers for people who want to wear denim. Please correct me and tell me the kinds of denim, rivets, and buttons they offer because I was quoting the website directly.
And it still doesn't answer the question of why you'd go to a tailor for a jeans-maker's job and expect the same or proper outcome. It's MC thinking to solve a SW&D problem.