Originally Posted by Nicola
What sense does this make? If you're arguing that the material is lower quality I wonder how you can say that. Aren't you the one arguing that spending money on jeans can make sense? Those MTM jeans are at most in the middle of the range of the prices in this thread. IIRC not much higher then the Italian price for Levi's Vintage 501s. You end up with a pair of jeans made exactly how you like. That fits you exactly how you like. You do know not everybody fits OTR. At the very least it lets people at the extreme ends get dressed in the morning. BTW Porsche made engines for Yugo.
I think this is exactly why I'm going to start a denim thread in this forum. There are too many misunderstandings and misconceptions that have derailed this OP. My assumption on the quality of the denim is three-fold: 1) from the photos, the denim looks fairly run-of-the-mill RHT, 2) considering the price of the jeans, I have a feeling where most of the money is going towards in a MTM product, and 3) considering that those jeans are made for people who want their jeans to be like trousers, I doubt that the customer is interested in or knowledgeable enough to care about the quality of the denim. Spending money on denim does make sense, but this thread has been about why spending money doesn't necessarily buy you good jeans or taste. Why would you assume that because these jeans are expensive or MTM that they would HAVE to be good? That's a pretty steep jump in logic that up until now I thought had been covered in this thread ad nauseum. Just because you have a pair of jeans tailored to your tastes doesn't make it a good pair of jeans. Actually, there are several details that any denimhead would scoff at the way an MCer would scoff at a fused suit: the lack of rivets around the front pockets, the lack of rivets in the coin pocket, using horn or plastic buttons, the lack of rear rivets, the "coin pocket," the non-tailored belt loops, etc. Sure, some of the jeans at a lower price range that I would recommend would lack a few of these details, but together what you have here isn't a pair of jeans, it's a pair of trousers made out of denim. I'm well-aware that not everyone fits OTR, just like I'm sure you're unaware
that there are MTM jeans offered by several different jeans companies, such as my friends at Rogue Territory. But there are so
many denim companies that many people never have a problem with OTR. It just isn't the norm the way it is with a suit. And I've never heard nor read that Porsche made engines for Yugo, but if so, wow. I couldn't have accidentally picked out a better example to showcase a mistake of legendary proportions.