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post #2011 of 2217
3/10/12 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by deadly7 View Post

I predict another 2-14 season for the Colts. Rebuilding is fine, but jesus christ they seem like they're releasing everybody.

Yeah, rebuilding will be a long-term process for the Colts. It's going to be ugly for a while.
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post #2012 of 2217
3/10/12 at 11:48am
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Yeah, rebuilding will be a long-term process for the Colts. It's going to be ugly for a while.

Except they're doing it the complete idiotic way. Unless your plan is to lose the most games you possibly can every season and stack draft picks, you don't cut and release every eligible starter.
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post #2013 of 2217
3/10/12 at 12:03pm
^^^Oh, I agree with you. I don't know what Irsay and company are thinking. confused.gif
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post #2014 of 2217
3/10/12 at 12:03pm
Clean house and start fresh? I don't know, honestly. confused.gif
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post #2015 of 2217
3/10/12 at 12:08pm
Starting fresh, building around Luck's strengths, seems to be what they are doing for sure, I think, but the process won't yield favorable results anytime soon. I can't imagine the fans being patient for as long as it'll take to rebuild from the ground up.
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post #2016 of 2217
3/10/12 at 1:14pm
Redskins gave up 3 first round picks???

Also, I've been hearing a lot lately that it's no longer wise to spend high picks on WR and RB. Why is this?
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post #2017 of 2217
3/10/12 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

Redskins gave up 3 first round picks???
Also, I've been hearing a lot lately that it's no longer wise to spend high picks on WR and RB. Why is this?

RBs are especially bad for several reasons:

1. They get injured easily. They statistically have the shortest careers.
2. In the 2nd round you can either get the 10th-15th best offensive tackle or defensive end...or you can get the 2nd best runningback.
3. New rules in the NFL have made the running game less important than the passing game.
4. Even mediocre quarterbacks have more yards per pass attempt than runningbacks have yards per carry.
5. Many of the best runners in recent times have come from the later rounds or have even been undrafted. Why draft Trent Richardson in the top 10 when you can get a guy in the 4th or 5th round with similar production?
6. Teams are moving towards the runningback-by-committee format rather than having a feature back.
7. The teams who have high picks are typically really, really bad and need help at more important positions than the runningback.
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post #2018 of 2217
3/10/12 at 4:49pm
Yeah the day of the superstar running back in the NFL is kind of past. Even the ones that look great rarely peak for more than a couple of seasons. One of the many things I miss about the early 90s, when you had guys like Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Bo Jackson (not that he lasted that long either), etc.
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post #2019 of 2217
3/10/12 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by TKJTG View Post

RBs are especially bad for several reasons:
1. They get injured easily. They statistically have the shortest careers.
2. In the 2nd round you can either get the 10th-15th best offensive tackle or defensive end...or you can get the 2nd best runningback.
3. New rules in the NFL have made the running game less important than the passing game.
4. Even mediocre quarterbacks have more yards per pass attempt than runningbacks have yards per carry.
5. Many of the best runners in recent times have come from the later rounds or have even been undrafted. Why draft Trent Richardson in the top 10 when you can get a guy in the 4th or 5th round with similar production?
6. Teams are moving towards the runningback-by-committee format rather than having a feature back.
7. The teams who have high picks are typically really, really bad and need help at more important positions than the runningback.

1,3,5,6 are spot on.

4 is true, but not really a reason. Passes will always have higher YPA but there is also a completion rate to take in account... running yields much more consistent yards.

Running back production is mostly predicated on the OL and scheme anyway; a 5th round guy with a big running hole is going to put up yards... The only RB's truly worth 1st round picks are those rare talents who can produce despite poor line play (AP, Lynch come to mind).
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post #2020 of 2217
3/10/12 at 6:00pm
Re: RG3 trade, people in DC have been going nuts since yesterday, this town just loves saviors...
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post #2021 of 2217
3/10/12 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by ConcernedParent View Post


4 is true, but not really a reason. Passes will always have higher YPA but there is also a completion rate to take in account... running yields much more consistent yards.

Not to mention, the higher likelihood of turnovers and negative plays, which is where many, if not most, games are lost.
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post #2022 of 2217
3/11/12 at 8:45am
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The Redskins are fucking retarded and are ruining the NFL experience for a huge market. Can't the commish veto that ridiculousness a la Stern?

What a joke. I haven't been following the media coverage of the deal. Are they reacting as though Washington gave up too much?
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post #2023 of 2217
3/11/12 at 9:33am
While steep, the trade is not that out of whack. It's really only two #1's as the "third" is actually a swap,

This has absolutely nothing on the Herschel Walker trade.
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post #2024 of 2217
3/11/12 at 9:42am
If they think they can get a franchise QB, then I could see how that could reasonably be a decent trade. I wouldn't have made it but I'm conservative like that.
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post #2025 of 2217
3/11/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by ConcernedParent View Post

1,3,5,6 are spot on.
4 is true, but not really a reason. Passes will always have higher YPA but there is also a completion rate to take in account... running yields much more consistent yards.
Running back production is mostly predicated on the OL and scheme anyway; a 5th round guy with a big running hole is going to put up yards... The only RB's truly worth 1st round picks are those rare talents who can produce despite poor line play (AP, Lynch come to mind).

um, dude, YPA stands for yards per ATTEMPT, not yards per acompletion.
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