or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto › Google+..bye bye Facebook!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Google+..bye bye Facebook! - Page 19

post #271 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie5566 View Post
Yes, I am sure I am completely alone on this. Apparently since YOU and hundreds of millions of other people have a use for these things it justifies it.

Got it.

Yes. Absolutely
post #272 of 376
I hope Google+ gets a "import everything from Facebook" feature then I can switch over easily. The only thing it needs to have going for it is that it isn't facebook. That China is trying to buy out a controlling interest in facebook and that Zuckerberg is huge money-grubbing cunt with no principles is a little worrying.
post #273 of 376
I use my google voice number when I meet new people usually...I just let people who had my old number gradually switch over or just keep calling the old number since it still works (although I have one friend with an android phone who canceled her texting plan and forced everybody to switch so she wouldn't have to pay for texts). My normal cell number still goes to my google voice voicemail--which means that I get transcribed voicemails and the ability to listen to them on a computer. I also have my number set up to ring both my cell and my work phone during business hours so I don't have to pull my phone out of my pocket and use up my minutes if I am at my desk. I was having service issues in my apartment so I set it up so that my GV number would ring gmail as well...if I am home during a cubs game (when my phone stops working), I can just answer calls on my computer which is super handy. It is also handy to be able to call numbers from the computer...see something on a website and copy paste it (or use a plugin) instead of typing it in. Ditto for sending texts with a real keyboard from the computer. Finally, it let me keep my old cell number but have a local number where I live now...there are still some places that are anal about providing local area code and this lets me meet those requirements. edit: my GV number spells my name. How cool is that?
post #274 of 376
I'm kinda confused how someone wouldn't see the point of having another number via Google Voice. I use mine: -As a primary contact number on my business cards since it's a number that doesn't need to be changed or ported. Ever. -As a screening number for people I don't know or otherwise wouldn't want having my personal number, ie, girls at bars or businesses that might want to add me to telemarketing lists. -As a forwarding number when I'm traveling and would rather use a land line. -As a texting number when I'm out of the country but still want to keep in touch with friends via mobile. So yeah, it's...pretty useful.
post #275 of 376
Great points otc. I use it in a similar manner. It works especially well for texting on the computer. There are only about 10 people who have my actual # and I give my Google voice # to everyone else. When I just don't feel like taking business calls or I want to go off grid I just set it to 'do no disturb' and I can still get the important calls. I've had it set that way for 7 days now. I imagine its about time I start taking calls again because I'm beginning to get those...."ARE YOU ALIVE!?!" emails
post #276 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by whodini View Post
I'm kinda confused how someone wouldn't see the point of having another number via Google Voice.

Even more confusing when that person links to his Twitter account in his sig which says he's a "Business Fanatic, Economy Guru, Technology Freak..."

The day Twitter becomes more 'useful' than Google Voice...
post #277 of 376
You guys got me excited to sign up for Google voice and it's not available outside the US. Booo.
post #278 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by otc View Post
I use my google voice number when I meet new people usually...I just let people who had my old number gradually switch over or just keep calling the old number since it still works (although I have one friend with an android phone who canceled her texting plan and forced everybody to switch so she wouldn't have to pay for texts). My normal cell number still goes to my google voice voicemail--which means that I get transcribed voicemails and the ability to listen to them on a computer. I also have my number set up to ring both my cell and my work phone during business hours so I don't have to pull my phone out of my pocket and use up my minutes if I am at my desk. I was having service issues in my apartment so I set it up so that my GV number would ring gmail as well...if I am home during a cubs game (when my phone stops working), I can just answer calls on my computer which is super handy. It is also handy to be able to call numbers from the computer...see something on a website and copy paste it (or use a plugin) instead of typing it in. Ditto for sending texts with a real keyboard from the computer. Finally, it let me keep my old cell number but have a local number where I live now...there are still some places that are anal about providing local area code and this lets me meet those requirements. edit: my GV number spells my name. How cool is that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by whodini View Post
I'm kinda confused how someone wouldn't see the point of having another number via Google Voice. I use mine: -As a primary contact number on my business cards since it's a number that doesn't need to be changed or ported. Ever. -As a screening number for people I don't know or otherwise wouldn't want having my personal number, ie, girls at bars or businesses that might want to add me to telemarketing lists. -As a forwarding number when I'm traveling and would rather use a land line. -As a texting number when I'm out of the country but still want to keep in touch with friends via mobile. So yeah, it's...pretty useful.
Good CONSTRUCTIVE points gentlemen. Unfortunately, both my work and personal numbers are pretty well established. I think it all comes down to if you can start out with a Google voice number it makes the whole process easier. I am not going to change all of my marketing, website, business cards, etc. to make use of GV. I just do not think the benefits outweigh the costs, time and frustration.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CouttsClient View Post
Even more confusing when that person links to his Twitter account in his sig which says he's a "Business Fanatic, Economy Guru, Technology Freak..." The day Twitter becomes more 'useful' than Google Voice...
Thanks for checking out my Twitter. Now spend a couple minutes googling how many people use Google Voice vs. How many use Twitter and get back to me about your moronic post. While you are at it spend some time on Linked in and learn about companies large and small that are leveraging Social Media sites like Twitter to make a lot of money. While you are at it (I figure you have a lot of time since you have posted here like 6 times already trying to make your point) post some links on all the money companies are making using Google Voice. I look forward to seeing some links on how Google Voice is saving the business world. I hope I do not have to wait to long.....
post #279 of 376
Your argument reeks of "If I can't make use of it, then it's too frustrating and worthless." I could give fuck all else if you or anyone else doesn't utilize it; it's not like you're going to convince me that a service I use daily and find helpful is superfluous.
post #280 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie5566 View Post
Thanks for checking out my Twitter. Now spend a couple minutes googling how many people use Google Voice vs. How many use Twitter and get back to me about your moronic post. While you are at it spend some time on Linked in and learn about companies large and small that are leveraging Social Media sites like Twitter to make a lot of money. While you are at it (I figure you have a lot of time since you have posted here like 6 times already trying to make your point) post some links on all the money companies are making using Google Voice. I look forward to seeing some links on how Google Voice is saving the business world. I hope I do not have to wait to long.....
My point was made the moment you started suggesting that neither Facebook or Google Voice were 'justified' simply because *I* use them. The millions of people I interact with on Facebook on a daily basis suggests to me that many people find a use for it. You don't have to tell me that people make money via social networking. I'm not going to waste time researching things so I could go on with you about your Business Fanaticism, Economy Guru'ism, and Technology Freakism... Frankly, I would expect someone who is all of those things to have more of a following Additionally, most of the companies I own have been using Google Voice over the last year in many capacities. My knowledge of this issue is direct. I don't have metrics on how much money we've saved but certainly know that it helps my employees stay productive. Carry on
post #281 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by CouttsClient View Post
My point was made the moment you started suggesting that neither Facebook or Google Voice were 'justified' simply because *I* use them. The millions of people I interact with on Facebook on a daily basis suggests to me that many people find a use for it. You don't have to tell me that people make money via social networking.

I'm not going to waste time researching things so I could go on with you about your Business Fanaticism, Economy Guru'ism, and Technology Freakism... Frankly, I would expect someone who is all of those things to have more of a following

Additionally, most of the companies I own have been using Google Voice over the last year in many capacities. My knowledge of this issue is direct. I don't have metrics on how much money we've saved but certainly know that it helps my employees stay productive.

Carry on

My apologies, I did not realize I was trading jabs with such an entrepreneur. LMAO..."most of the companies I own" yet you find time to post nearly 1,000 times in less than a year. How do you do it oh titan of all industries????

You don't have to research anything. That's the beauty of forums. You can spew whatever you want without any facts to back it up. Unfortunately, you also have to deal with a$$holes like me that occasionally call you out on your bull$hit. Fortunately, you are savvy enough to avoid factual based arguments and stick to your personal experiences from running multiple companies.

By all means; please do not waste time on the likes of me. You have so many companies to run and undoubtedly 1,000's of employees counting on you. I forgot about the "millions of people you interact with on Facebook on a daily basis." How silly of me.
post #282 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie5566 View Post
My apologies, I did not realize I was trading jabs with such an entrepreneur. LMAO..."most of the companies I own" yet you find time to post nearly 1,000 times in less than a year. How do you do it oh titan of all industries???? You don't have to research anything. That's the beauty of forums. You can spew whatever you want without any facts to back it up. Unfortunately, you also have to deal with a$$holes like me that occasionally call you out on your bull$hit. Fortunately, you are savvy enough to avoid factual based arguments and stick to your personal experiences from running multiple companies. By all means; please do not waste time on the likes of me. You have so many companies to run and undoubtedly 1,000's of employees counting on you. I forgot about the "millions of people you interact with on Facebook on a daily basis." How silly of me.
What a dolt... I mainly develop/manage artists and produce films hence the "millions" of interactions. I don't run but own/co-own the other ventures. Not sure that has anything to do with your suggestion that these services aren't justified. Simply doesn't makes sense. Amazing that there are many of us here on this forum with multiple businesses that find time to post regularly. My time belongs to me. If that offends you I suggest you direct that passion into something more productive than trying to be 'right' I sent you a tweet. Notice the number of people following me vs the number following you. It isn't because I'm beautiful...well maybe a little beautiful
post #283 of 376
thanks for the bit about google voice, will have to try
post #284 of 376
TechCrunch had a chat with Google Executive Chairman, Eric Schmidt.

Audio here: http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/09/eri...ogles-success/

Text transcript:

Quote:
How will you gauge the success of Plus?

Well its been out for a week. So, the initial indications are quite positive. They would be an infinite number of people are unhappy because they don't have their invitations.

Us included.

Yes, I apologize.

So the first week data would be an infinite amount of interest in the invitation which and we're rate limited, cause we want to scale, we want to learn how to scale the systems, is that right? And if you read the reviews, people seem to understand that it's somewhat different from Facebook, which is another sort of criteria.

Well, yeah, and let me describe those. I think that those would, too. The current inclination of the company is to invest heavily. I want to figure out a way to say this in a way that doesn't sound weird. We test stuff, and when it works, we put a lot more emphasis on it. So, Google Plus, all the signs are very positive so now the whole company is now ramping up on top of it.

But obviously after a week, you know you don't know. There have been a couple, a couple of cases, excuse me, where there were a couple of privacy bugs which were fixed in a few days. You know, stuff like that. Which is the purpose of why we're doing it. It's called a closed beta for a reason. The differences are the first.

I'll give you my opinion.

So the first difference is that circles, circles are organized around the set of relationships that you in fact have in life. So, in my case I have you know, five, six, seven sort of slightly overlapping group of people.

I really do behave differently with respect to information between those people. Circles is particularly well-suited to sort of tight contact list that you have in your, on your phone. You know, the people you call all the time, that kind of stuff. Sort of the tight links problem and so that's a differentiator and people seem to like that.

They like the UI. They like, they understand it intuitively. It makes sense. Circle, the other thing so far that I agree with is that we have a somewhat different view of privacy. Privacy defaults are different, the way we handle it is different, and so forth. So those are two, those are two differences.

Do you mean that you have more control as a consumer, or what?

You have more control, but also the defaults are different.

Okay. More control than a Facebook user potentially.

Well again, I don't want to overstate it because if you work hard on Facebook-

Yeah

-I don't want to do Facebook review. You guys can do this yourselves.

But it is hard work to set this.

Again I'll let you verbalize it, but fundamentally we try to, try to build a system that you could use for the relationships that you manage at the time. And the background of this, again, I want to emphasize. The problem that the internet has is in the people who built the internet did not get a stable version of idenitity.

Right.

There's not a, you need identity. Identity in a sense you are a person, this is who you are, this is what you're up to, these are your friends and so forth.

Oh, yeah.

So Facebook has done a pretty good job of using identity. The way they do identity is they disabiguate names by your friends.

Oh, yeah.

So, if your name is John Smith. They show you a bunch of John Smiths and they say pick the John Smith and you would disambiguate based on your friends. Which is very clever, by the way. Cause names are not necesarily so unique.

But the internet needs and identity server and people have been confused, as I have talked about this many times. But the issue in the internet is not the lack of Facebook and the internet is the lack of identity. If you had a strong and clear identity there's a lot of things that you could do with people's permission and so on and so on.

And it does not then follow that you should also give up anonymity. You want to be able to be anonymous. And you also want to opt in be to have an identity. With the identity we can provide better services. The most obvious one has to do with like YouTube recommendations search recommendations so forth and so on.

We can do this based on who you are accurately and more so who your friends are. So, as we move ourselves on to what you think of as Google Plus, it gets, there's a nice set of product improvements in core search, core YouTube, maps and so forth and so on which should drive adoption.

How satisfied are you with currently how you've deployed the social graph with Google Plus and such? I mean, are you thinking of maybe filling in now with other products you can keep?

Yeah and there's a lot coming.

Do you want to elaborate on it?

No. No, but I do, and I'm sorry you don't have your invitation, you should try the hangout stuff through. It's really neat. You should try a thing that they haven't neat feature where you take a photograph and it's immediately on your circles.

Yeah, they have a bunch of stuff like that and there's lot of that comming. Again, we're trying to use the identity infrastructure to make the Google products really interesting. And hangouts is fun and it shows off some of our video conferencing capabilities but in a particularly fun way.

If you have a Google profile, and are active on Plus, do you automatically start seeing recommended search, more personalized search.

You have, first place, you have control over this. If you basically if we know. In the scenario where your friends have opted in and you have a friends list and you have opted them that list in the answer is yes, search will get better. But again, you won't see much now because that technology is being improved right now.

Are business accounts and ads something you'll introduce soon with Plus?

I don't know. The general philosophy well, you can see the answers as a philosophy. It's a week into it, on the assumption that it grows, scales, etc. Which it looks like it will, then you're going to someone's calling you and it's okay you can say "Hello!". You can say " Hello!"

The assumption that everything will move over to using the Plus infrastructure over time.

Can you talk a little bit about how people are using it? How much time they're spending on it.

Too early.

Even for preliminary indications like what things are proving particularly popular.

How many people were blocked who had invitations?

A lot, like millions.

Like 20 million?

I don't know, but we were reviewing it on Monday, what did is today, yesterday.

Yes, I came in yesterday, last night. Yesterday we had a review on this and it's like the biggest problem that they're dealing with. So, I want to answer your question. We've been using earlier versions of this internally.

And the things that we discovered so far were that the email solicitations, getting people to sign up worked, one thing we learned. Another we learn was that hangouts, which is essentially group video conferencing that's simple and with your friends, is very popular among a younger demographic late at night.

OK.

Like chatroulette.

I want to be very, its not chatroulette. I hope that's clear.

What's the fate of Buzz, will that stay within Gmail? Or will there be a chance that gets incorporated into...

I'm assuming. Again, this are all reasonable questions. I think that imagine the wave going through the company.

Sorry about the wave. Imagine now all of those properties adopting the circles metaphor, Buzz adopting that as well, Gmail adopting it. If you think about it, Gmail which you really want with Gmail is you want all your normal contact list plus you want to have be able to deal with the circles as emails.

So again, think of Circles is an organizing principle around people you care about and think about everything you use in the older way and imagine taking circles and applying it to them.

That's good. That's what they're doing. How many people are testing Google Plus right now?

I don't know but it's millions, it's a lot.

Is personal identity on the web going to be in your game I mean. It seems like you talk about an identity provider for the web. There's one issue of driver's license is in the US.

That is because it is government regulated but you could imagine private sector having lots of different government, you know drivers licenses and competing for identity and providing better or worse, as long as they were regulated in that line. First cause its, I may have over said, " I was trying to put in an historical of context.

There will be multiple so just it would be multiple sources of identity and it would be multiple sources of essentially social networks at the technical level, meaning the link structure of who your friends are and so forth. All the companies that I've been talking with, a little companies and so forth, all understand the power of these networks, yeah as an example.

What they do is they generate these networks naturally, so an example would be that your BBM network if you're a Blackberry user is such an example. WhatsApp is an example of a company that has such a network that they don't express it that way, they don't package it that way. You know it's hard to do it as scale, and so forth and so on.

Will plus pursue some kind of kindle connect strategy where it'll be easy to, without much friction use your Google identity on everywhere else?

That is the objective. It requires the agreement of the other companies.

Sure.

So, it sounds relative whether we look at it then.

At the risk of sounding incredibly naive, did you approach Facebook about letting people import Facebook friends in Google Plus. Or any other type of that?

I can assure you we have had ongoing conversations with Facebook for at least two years on subject of this. And if you go back into using your favorite search engine, take a look at what happens after. Take a look at Gmail contact importation. As a good example of a transaction.

It's a rabbit hole.

So, I'll let you do your research.
post #285 of 376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eason View Post
I hope Google+ gets a "import everything from Facebook" feature then I can switch over easily. The only thing it needs to have going for it is that it isn't facebook. That China is trying to buy out a controlling interest in facebook and that Zuckerberg is huge money-grubbing cunt with no principles is a little worrying.
I don't think there's any truth in that. The reliable sources are saying China is going to buy a $1billion share of what most are saying will be a $100billion IPO. Nothing controlling in 1%.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto › Google+..bye bye Facebook!