Whodini, you don't have to be such an e-jerk to me about this.
Sorry, if you'll notice many of the other sites you find in that search provide different information, hell, a search within this forum gives a different answer.
I sought a clarification, because I had found differing answers, and because one single concrete answer wasn't avalible.
Is this a resource for information and discussion? or just a place to mock those whoose denim knowledge you deem insufficent?
I'd understand if an archive of this site search yielded dozens of questions like this, but I didn't find anything, so I asked.
Anyways, I'm done mock away or whatever, from here on out I'm just viewing this for the pertinent responses to my initial question because I see this site as a repository of information, not as some sort of social outlet.
Sorry if I got defensive or took a bad tone with you, no hard feelings.