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How long did it take from the time you placed the order to when you got the test shoes shipped?

 

I just placed 3 orders with him...on his almond and chiseled lasts...and am looking at adding a perfetta soon...all novecento.

 

   it was exactly 6 weeks from order placed


Which models did you order?


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Which models did you order?


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                             this one is the only shoe in actual production right now :

 

        

 

 

                                     followed by a distressed horse hide loafer

 

       

 

                 the third will be a suede & gator or iguana split toe loafer similar to below

             or it could be a redo of the first one . . . . having a hard time making the decision

and will likely slow it down and decide after receipt of the first and while the horse hide loafer is in production

 

       

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No.

Not if the maker is buying from a reputable source. Good gator and croc has at least as much tensile strength as calf and it's often thicker.

Every maker charges for leather failure of any leather...they have to cover that possibility. But gator is no more prone to ripping...and maybe less so...than lots of other leahters.

 

 

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Sure...you have to cover your possible loss, but that's all that's necessary.

If it cost $100.00 for calfskin vamps you add $200.00 to cover possible loss. If a pair of alligator skins cost $800.00, you charge $1600.00 extra to make alligator shoes...not $4000.00 (not referencing anyone).

So, for instance, let's say I have a hypothetical "base price" of $2000.00. That covers all my most basic raw materials--a reasonable upper leather, insoles, linings, heel stacks, toe and heel stiffs, etc., as well as my labour to make a shoe. If I need to buy a more expensive leather for the upper...say French calf vamps costings an extra $100.00, then my quote goes to $2200.00. If the customer wants alligator then the quotes would be $3600.00 (adding $1600.00 for the gator to the base price of $2000.00).

When I worked retail...many years ago...I was told that all merchandise was marked up what was then called "50%"--meaning the wholesale cost was 50% of the retail cost. The shoemaker is simply doing the same thing with regard to the marketing of the leather he purchases. Unless he's selling more blue sky than good earth.

And in my opinion, if that kind of markup isn't enough to cover possible materials failure, the shoemaker is doing something wrong or needs to find another occupation.

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Ok, thanks for info!

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Just to add to the alligator discussion, I've been told by makers that they up charge less than JLSJ for full gator shoes... So the up charge is perhaps similar to, say, the up charge for lobsters; very high margin price gauging.
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That is part of the appeal, no?

 

Gator is pretty cool, but is it 4x the price cool? For most people no. Once you know that they are incredibly expensive shoes, however, it takes on a whole new value criteria.

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Test shoes arrived today.  I had asked for a few suede samples for another pair and THIS is what he sent :

 

 

there is a blue in there named 'Baltic' . . . . it is the darkest, true navy suede I've ever seen

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Fantastic sample collection, show us that Baltic suede when you get a moment. I have been humoring some suede chukkas in my future nod[1].gif
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Fantastic sample collection, show us that Baltic suede when you get a moment. I have been humoring some suede chukkas in my future nod[1].gif

 

   will do. will see if I can take some crappy phone pics of the blues side x side.  personally, I think the Baltic would be pretty awesome in most any style.

                                      particularly this bontoni style, frankenstitch, split toe would be drool worthy IMO

 

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Test shoes arrived today.  I had asked for a few suede samples for another pair and THIS is what he sent :

 

 

there is a blue in there name

 

 

 

How many colors that you sent. neither do I. I've seen from him so many together =). certainly is a great service, right?

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SoGent...wanna post some individual shots of your favorite suedes?

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SoGent...wanna post some individual shots of your favorite suedes?

+1

 

and (I'm feeling a bit voyeuristic in asking this) maybe a pic of the trial pair?

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+1

 

and (I'm feeling a bit voyeuristic in asking this) maybe a pic of the trial pair?


+1...yes please!

 

I am already thinking of my next orders with Riccardo.

 

I am thinking maybe a loafer and a derby both on the Perfetta Last.

 

I saw some shoes recently in Carpincho...and I really liked it...I think it'd look great on a casual loafer.

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+1...yes please!

 

I am already thinking of my next orders with Riccardo.

 

I am thinking maybe a loafer and a derby both on the Perfetta Last.

 

I saw some shoes recently in Carpincho...and I really liked it...I think it'd look great on a casual loafer.

 

   i'm thinking the same thing regarding a Carpincho pair. those are some great looking shoes IMO

 

   YES to the requests for pics. I just need to slow down and find time but give me a couple days or less

   but I can tell you right now, that true navy Baltic suede is going to end up on something before this is over with . . . . LUV that stuff

 

   Two test shoes were generated and it appears the final result will be a modified hybrid between the two.

    Even opting for his Novecento line instead of bespoke he's accommodating with quite a bit of leeway to modify


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How many colors that you sent. neither do I. I've seen from him so many together =). certainly is a great service, right?

 

   you were correct about Ricardo Gianni . . . . the man is a master crafter. I really appreciate your help with this decision.

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