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post #856 of 1232
Probably, that's the reason for the RTW leather's not holding up. Different parts of the hide.
post #857 of 1232
^
all roy's shoes
are bespoke
post #858 of 1232
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Originally Posted by T4phage View Post

^
all roy's shoes
are bespoke

What's your experiences in this regard, with your Bestettis?
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Why are you jumping to that conclusion? Sounds insecure on your part. I am not even in the bespoke shoe camp, yet. I'm just saying hold the bespoke makers high. I do. If you are going to buy RTW, buy RTW, not some bastardized version of bespoke.

Unless I'm wrong but don't most "established" rate manufacturers started as bespoke only operation way (way) back then?

If knowledge serves me right, that includes Saint Crispin?
post #861 of 1232
I meant "established" RTW
post #862 of 1232
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Honestly, what are you basing your arguments on?

I've inspected and tried on Bestetti RTW and MTO, seen how they age after several months of wear, and to argue that they are "overpriced and overvalued", that it's like "buying RTW Fosters" or that it "got no soul" is just plain silly to me.

His RTW are of impressive quality and with handwork that are surprisingly close to his Novecento and bespoke shoes (which both are made to exactly the same standard, only difference is the measurement, last making and fitting shoes processes). RTW use aniline leathers of excellent quality, MTO with aniline dyed leather of also high quality leathers but with crust hand finished. The shoes are made in his small workshop by himself and his three staff members, it's not even comparable to Fosters or Cleverley's rebranded Northampton shoes. And this, that it's completely hand made shoes (except the Blake stitch on the Blake shoes), and in MTO cases hand colored, definitely gives it a lot of soul.

Vass are really great value, but that's also the case for Bestetti RTW, IMO. The waist and construction details are definitely superior to Vass, and leathers at least on pair.

 

And thats the original question: Vass or Bestetti Blake.

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Bestetti all day everyday.

 

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Now that's just brand whoring. Sure Bestetti doe great work for bespoke and novecento line, but his diffusion lines are probably not as good. Same thing with G&G with its superb bespoke shoes but way overpriced and overvalued RTW.

I would either save for Bestetti semi bespoke or go Vash. I know I would be left with a big regret for buying a much lessor version of what I want.

 

   brand whoring or quality whoring, it can be labeled whatever trips your trigger.

   in my opinion, it's comparing apples to oranges anyway.

 

   vass make excellent 'work horse' shoes as in understated workplace staples. Bestetti, on the other hand, are

   characters with 'pop' or soul if you will and can be acceptable in virtually any work environment.

 

   when I made the earlier statement that value was way beyond cost, it's the value a shoe, suit, shirt or tie

   brings to the OP's situation whether it be work or casual or something that can work for either.

 

   Vass can work for the boardroom but won't send the same message used for a casual, fun night out

post #864 of 1232

I really appreciate everyone's take on this. I had no idea when I asked the question that it would generate such good dialogue. The good thing for me is I'm really in no rush to make a decision, I just wanted to hear from others with more hands on experience than me. Cheers! :cheers:

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That's interesting. Is it that he use thin uppers that makes them wear less well, or what is it? My pair is six months and have been worn a lot, and do wear very well for that period, same with a friends RTW, but I obviously can't tell the real long term wear. So it'd be interesting to hear, and also see pics if possible.

When I have my camera back, I will make some comparison shots between my bespoke Bestetti's and RTW Edward Green. There is more creasing with the Bestetti shoes, even though I've worn the Edward Green more often.

The fit however is incredible, so is the comfort. I love Riccardo's creativity. So it is a trade-off. It could very well be that his uppers are thin compared to the English makers. So you trade comfort for aging well. I'm lucky enough to have both in my closet.

I am 100% happy with any of my Bestetti shoes. Riccardo is a pleasure to deal with. He gets what I want every single time. But for me, he is a bespoke maker. To me, his biggest strength is in his last making and interpreting personal requests. RTW there are other offerings out there.
post #866 of 1232
I don't feel creasing is a good sole indicator for leather quality. Most often than not, creases are different due to differences in personal fit rather than leather quality.
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I don't feel creasing is a good sole indicator for leather quality. Most often than not, creases are different due to differences in personal fit rather than leather quality.

It's not the only issue, by far. But you'll see when I post comparison pictures.

Although with bespoke shoes, as mine are, the difference in fit should not be there. After all, they are made for me. Not on some generic last.
post #868 of 1232
Were you fitted in person? Not sure if bestetti even does online bespoke ala kielman, but just curious. What about test shoes?

Wasn't implying the leather isn't inferior, just that using that as the only parameter isn't the best idea in general
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Were you fitted in person? Not sure if bestetti even does online bespoke ala kielman, but just curious. What about test shoes?

Wasn't implying the leather isn't inferior, just that using that as the only parameter isn't the best idea in general

Yes I have been to Vigevano and he has been at my house even. He has had several trunk shows in Amsterdam. So it hasn't been an online deal.

Don't get the impression I am not happy with my shoes anymore. I still like them as much as the day I've got them. But I don't like it when people can not see any flaws anymore just because Bestetti (or any other maker) made them.

To me, that is why you get a handmade shoe, you will get something with great character and as somebody earlier said, soul. Because Riccardo literally puts his soul in his shoes. That's why I said I don't see the value of his RTW line. To me, he is a bespoke maker. That is where his personal value comes in the best.
post #870 of 1232
I understand your points. Looking forward to the pictures.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the RTW shoes in questions as I don't see the value in paying that much for Blake stitch. Makers like gravati and sutor already fill that niche quite well for a lot less.
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