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post #241 of 286
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Originally Posted by kellgy View Post

I wonder how activity has changed since the update. The search button has been pointless so far. I search a key word and the thread results seem to have no apparent connection to my search. Maybe I don't know how to use it yet, but this is very frustrating and dissuading. I am fairly new to the site and loved using it in the past. I will persist and am hopeful it will improve.

Part of how the search function works (without any of the technicalities) is that the site has an index, very much like a book. An index is a type of data structure which is designed so that key words, users, titles, etc are all put together so that the key elements of the things being searched through can be quickly and easily accessed. The quality of the search results which are retrieved depends upon three things (basically): 1) The size of the index. At the moment, I think I saw J post somewhere else that the index is being rebuilt at the moment, which can take hundreds to thousands of computer hours worth of time. This means that the whole thing may not be built available for search yet. Moreover the larger the index, the more time it takes to search for things, and if there's a time out on the search, this can also affect results. 2) The retrieval (aka search) algorithm being used. Previously, the forum was running on a custom Google search which would leverage Google's search algorithms along with their index of the site. Given the comment that J made, my guess is that they may have switched off of that on the back end, because if I remember correctly Google starts charging for that after a point. This would mean that the algorithm is not the same and that the results may not be exactly the same as those retrieved by Google. Whether or not they are relevant will depend alot upon 3) What is being indexed. When you run a search of the site, it does not check every single post in every single document to see if the phrase you're looking for is there. Even Google doesn't. That would be way too big and take way too long. Part of the reason for creating an index is to save key things which people will look for and put them into a smaller data store which can be accessed quickly. Generally speaking, for something like this you may want to index on more than just key words. There are all sorts of open source semantic web tools available out there today which may provide quicker and better search results.

Don't give up hope. Give it a little bit of time. It will sort itself out, I'm sure.
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


I was told that the search is still broken. Fuck!!!!!!

I've used the search for a number of different queries since the site went back up with varying degrees of success. If the index is still building, this could account for some of the "This search result is crap." Moreover, I don't know what you guys are using on the back end, but I'm sure that the thumbs up and other things affect search results, as will click through's when people find the search results they like. The site definitely searches and retrieves results, and as someone who has worked in information retrieval, I can tell you that none of the results I've seen thus far have been excessively far off the mark.

Unless of course it is actually broken somewhere and my results are flukes. But the queries I've put through do return relevant results for the most part.
post #242 of 286
posting just to see what it looks like in the new system tongue.gif
post #243 of 286
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Originally Posted by mktitsworth View Post


Part of how the search function works (without any of the technicalities) is that the site has an index, very much like a book. An index is a type of data structure which is designed so that key words, users, titles, etc are all put together so that the key elements of the things being searched through can be quickly and easily accessed. The quality of the search results which are retrieved depends upon three things (basically): 1) The size of the index. At the moment, I think I saw J post somewhere else that the index is being rebuilt at the moment, which can take hundreds to thousands of computer hours worth of time. This means that the whole thing may not be built available for search yet. Moreover the larger the index, the more time it takes to search for things, and if there's a time out on the search, this can also affect results. 2) The retrieval (aka search) algorithm being used. Previously, the forum was running on a custom Google search which would leverage Google's search algorithms along with their index of the site. Given the comment that J made, my guess is that they may have switched off of that on the back end, because if I remember correctly Google starts charging for that after a point. This would mean that the algorithm is not the same and that the results may not be exactly the same as those retrieved by Google. Whether or not they are relevant will depend alot upon 3) What is being indexed. When you run a search of the site, it does not check every single post in every single document to see if the phrase you're looking for is there. Even Google doesn't. That would be way too big and take way too long. Part of the reason for creating an index is to save key things which people will look for and put them into a smaller data store which can be accessed quickly. Generally speaking, for something like this you may want to index on more than just key words. There are all sorts of open source semantic web tools available out there today which may provide quicker and better search results.

Don't give up hope. Give it a little bit of time. It will sort itself out, I'm sure.

Sic mktitsworth on the new search system. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #244 of 286
B&S is like dead now.

Can we have a "mega sale" sub-forum under B&S? Only allow threads with 20+ items and the same old rules apply. I know many people will frequent that sub-forum for sure.
post #245 of 286
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Originally Posted by wj2009 View Post

B&S is like dead now.

Can we have a "mega sale" sub-forum under B&S? Only allow threads with 20+ items and the same old rules apply. I know many people will frequent that sub-forum for sure.

People are probably split between the new forum and the "archive."
post #246 of 286
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post


People are probably split between the new forum and the "archive."

I've been monitoring the viewer counts, and the archive is winning by at least 2:1 ratio. What is worse, it seems it is the intention of the mods to drive people out of the archive. They made editing threads in the archive a pain in the neck now.
post #247 of 286
The extra column makes the site a pain to use on small screens. It works OK on a mobile with reflow or on wide screens. The thread list is the most affected.
post #248 of 286
One more thing that irritates me is the tiny-tiny font when I access the site from my phone. It's impossible to read without zooming in on the text. And I have probably the largest phone out there. Also, the thread listing is harder to skim through, because you get all the extra stuff below the thread title. Before it was just two lines instead of 4 or 5, but I suppose I will get used to this.
post #249 of 286
Could we get additional page customization options similar to igoogle? I would like to click, drag and re-arrange the home page screen. Thanks

acecow, quit all your whining, the website is flawless nod[1].gif
post #250 of 286
Bah. frown.gif
post #251 of 286
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Originally Posted by acecow View Post

Bah. frown.gif

im just joshin' yah
post #252 of 286
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Originally Posted by wj2009 View Post

B&S is like dead now.

Can we have a "mega sale" sub-forum under B&S? Only allow threads with 20+ items and the same old rules apply. I know many people will frequent that sub-forum for sure.

This is a great idea.
post #253 of 286
I just posted a Black Fleece jacket for sale in size BB1. I have the same jacket in sizes BB2, BB3, and BB4. By my interpretation of the sales rules, it would be a violation for me to list the other sizes in the post. Is this correct? I seems that one of the goals of the old system to keep a Power Seller from blasting a one-item occasional seller off page 1 with only a few minutes of exposure, but this system is set up to do just that. If I have 4 khaki BF jackets and 7 colors of BB Solid Repp silk ties, how does it benefit anyone for me to make 11 sales posts instead of 2?

Understand that I am not trying to be a little bitch about this. I am committed to working within the rules of SF. But if I can have some influence in tweaking this new system and making it more user friendly for Power Seller types, I am all for that. If nothing else, I would like to understand the thought process behind this structure.
post #254 of 286
It is great how the thread posts extend across the full screen below the advertisements. This is a big plus over the initial launch. The search function looks to be a challenging issue. The builders are sure to hammer out an excellent process. Thanks for the prodigious medium bound to be more impressive in the future.
post #255 of 286
any way to customize email and PM preferences?

I used to receive emails once a week which notified me if their was any activity on my subscribed threads. Now I get an email update every single day on all the threads I participated in.

Also, i get an email each time I receive a PM. Additionally, whenever I log in to SF and also have a new PM, I will get notified with a pop-up.
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