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post #226 of 286
I appreciate the work that went into this but I'm still not entirely convinced. Ultimately, it all boils down to how efficiently I can do whatever I'm trying to do, and I think the old site worked better for me, but I'm still learning.
The back-end speed is noticeably better now (I think), so kudos for that.
However, especially on firefox, this speedup is more than eliminated by the front-end being slower, browser focus jumping around as stuff gets reloaded dynamically, etc. It seems to me that additional testing and optimization for different browsers would be helpful here.

Suggestions:

[the make-it-look-more-like-vb category]

* In subscriptions-view, only show the threads that have unread posts (extremely useful vb feature)
* In home/activity-view, allow users to exclude certain sub-forums (again, extremely useful vb feature)
* reduce vertical padding everywhere
* increase number of threads displayed per page/activity-screen, etc. at least make it user-configurable
* make site remember settings better, e.g., the last home-screen configuration (profiles off), the last subscription mode (if I set my last subscription notification to site-only, chances are I want my next 20 to be the same)
* let users unsubscribe from a thread from within that thread

[the new-features category]

* FS sizing info (obvious, I know)

Thanks!
post #227 of 286
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Originally Posted by linds_15 View Post

so how will this work for people like stevesmith who posts large quantities of suits, or the guy with all the allen edmonds, will it all have to be seperate? generally i think this system is much better in terms of a thread being one item, easy to navigate and find what you want, but what about those sellers that you consistently just like to skim through their whole inventory and see all their stuff quickly?
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You will see on the right hand column that items from the same seller are actually listed, not unlike an Ebay store, but without any additional clicks needed . Additionally, the rules allow you to post links to your other active listings within a single listing, though I don't think that this is necessary, given the feature above.


My "shirts" sales thread in the archived FS section has about 150 shirts arranged by size. A buyer can scroll down the page and see all the shirts in his size in one place. Putting them individually over on the side in a "same seller" section is going to give a buyer a jumble of 199 items; ties, shoes, suits, pants and shirts of all sizes. Before I took the time to arrange my items by size I was getting a lot of complaints that it was frustrating to look for an item. The complainants were correct. With this new one item per post system, it will be much more difficult for a buyer to shop.

Here is another situation. I have 7 different colors of the 3.5 inch silk tie which Brooks Brothers calls their "Solid Repp". I can display these ties adequately in two photos within one post, yet this new system would require me to make 7 separate posts just for this one item. It is not that I am sweating the work to do it that way, it is that it makes more sense to a buyer to have all of these together. The buyer may want multiple colors, and even if he doesn't it is helpful to see all the colors together.

In my mind this all boils down to trying to give a buyer a pleasant and non frustrating shopping experience. What I and others have set up within the old format is a logical and workable format which gives a buyer something which in some small way resembles a normal retail situation. The buyer can quickly scroll through multiple items in search for something of interest. This new system may be an improvement for most sellers, but after giving it a few hours of thought I can't see how it will not be a huge step backward for me and the buyers who have enjoyed the use of what I have set up. BTW I have been told at least 3 times that a person signed up for SF for the purpose of buying from my threads, so what I had going on also was of benefit to SF. Perhaps I am missing something and someone can explain how this new system is better. But I doubt it.

In summary, the new Classified system seems to be designed for the guy who is selling one shirt which shrank in the wash and no longer fits. It doesn't scale up in a sensible way for someone who has 100 pairs of Allen Edmonds for sale, as some of our sellers have had in the past. Yet which is of more interest to a SF member? I am interested in the AE's. The shrunken shirt? Not so much.

There must be a way to accommodate all of us in an efficient way. I admit to being one of the least tech savvy guys around. It just seems to me that it shouldn't be too difficult to provide an option to larger volume sellers in which the items can be kept together and listed in an efficient (for buyer and seller) manner.
post #228 of 286
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Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post





My "shirts" sales thread in the archived FS section has about 150 shirts arranged by size. A buyer can scroll down the page and see all the shirts in his size in one place. Putting them individually over on the side in a "same seller" section is going to give a buyer a jumble of 199 items; ties, shoes, suits, pants and shirts of all sizes. Before I took the time to arrange my items by size I was getting a lot of complaints that it was frustrating to look for an item. The complainants were correct. With this new one item per post system, it will be much more difficult for a buyer to shop.

Here is another situation. I have 7 different colors of the 3.5 inch silk tie which Brooks Brothers calls their "Solid Repp". I can display these ties adequately in two photos within one post, yet this new system would require me to make 7 separate posts just for this one item. It is not that I am sweating the work to do it that way, it is that it makes more sense to a buyer to have all of these together. The buyer may want multiple colors, and even if he doesn't it is helpful to see all the colors together.

In my mind this all boils down to trying to give a buyer a pleasant and non frustrating shopping experience. What I and others have set up within the old format is a logical and workable format which gives a buyer something which in some small way resembles a normal retail situation. The buyer can quickly scroll through multiple items in search for something of interest. This new system may be an improvement for most sellers, but after giving it a few hours of thought I can't see how it will not be a huge step backward for me and the buyers who have enjoyed the use of what I have set up. BTW I have been told at least 3 times that a person signed up for SF for the purpose of buying from my threads, so what I had going on also was of benefit to SF. Perhaps I am missing something and someone can explain how this new system is better. But I doubt it.

In summary, the new Classified system seems to be designed for the guy who is selling one shirt which shrank in the wash and no longer fits. It doesn't scale up in a sensible way for someone who has 100 pairs of Allen Edmonds for sale, as some of our sellers have had in the past. Yet which is of more interest to a SF member? I am interested in the AE's. The shrunken shirt? Not so much.

There must be a way to accommodate all of us in an efficient way. I admit to being one of the least tech savvy guys around. It just seems to me that it shouldn't be too difficult to provide an option to larger volume sellers in which the items can be kept together and listed in an efficient (for buyer and seller) manner.

Interesting. This is actually one of the cases we thought we'd actually hit a home run for. All of the paid subscriptions are strongly discounted for "powersellers", and we wre actually worried about thrifters and guys who have one or two items to sell. I thought that we'd struck a good balance.

Unfortunately, there will not be a fast solution for this, because we'll first have to design a system (and I actually do have some experience with UX and other social dynamics and workflow research), and then fix the existing system (or more likely, add something to it, like an actually Ebay style store). The exisitng system took about 3 months to build, implement, and test, and there were over 100 members who were privy to the entire process. If you have one of those cool 3-D systems where you just move things around with your hands, like Tony Stark has in Ironman, I'll pay you $1000 a bucks to use it, because it would be so worth it.

In the immediate term, you can still list your active items in the listing, so if you feel that the "see other listings" is not adequate for you, I would urge you to group your listings and serve up your own little "display" in each of your listings in a way that would make sense and be valuable to the buyers (e.g., list "shirt listings") in all your shirt listings, etc..

We are pretty flexible about that, but we want casual viewers who visit for the first time to find SF B&S to be easy and manageable as well. For powerusers, this was not a problem in the cumbersome but familiar old system, but I have tons of PMs from newish users who said things like "How do I buy your John Lobbs?" or "How do I buy anything?" because the system is actually not intuitive to someone who just drops by. Put it this way. Our intention was to have a system that will actually draw in new buyers, something that can only benefit the community.
post #229 of 286

Any chance of Tapatalk support for mobile?

post #230 of 286
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Originally Posted by Redwoood View Post

I appreciate the work that went into this but I'm still not entirely convinced. Ultimately, it all boils down to how efficiently I can do whatever I'm trying to do, and I think the old site worked better for me, but I'm still learning.
The back-end speed is noticeably better now (I think), so kudos for that.
However, especially on firefox, this speedup is more than eliminated by the front-end being slower, browser focus jumping around as stuff gets reloaded dynamically, etc. It seems to me that additional testing and optimization for different browsers would be helpful here.

Suggestions:

[the make-it-look-more-like-vb category]

* In subscriptions-view, only show the threads that have unread posts (extremely useful vb feature)
* In home/activity-view, allow users to exclude certain sub-forums (again, extremely useful vb feature)
* reduce vertical padding everywhere
* increase number of threads displayed per page/activity-screen, etc. at least make it user-configurable
* make site remember settings better, e.g., the last home-screen configuration (profiles off), the last subscription mode (if I set my last subscription notification to site-only, chances are I want my next 20 to be the same)
* let users unsubscribe from a thread from within that thread

[the new-features category]

* FS sizing info (obvious, I know)

Thanks!

A lot of these things are on the development roadmap. We are going to try to fix the visuals first, and then go on from there. Unfortunately, unless you guys have a few hundred grand to give me, I can't make this stuff happen immediately, though I wish that I could.

Re, number of threads per page - that is actually greatly increased from the old VB configuration.

I have to admit, I am actually a bit of a luddite, and so, a lot of the functions re. subscriptions, etc... I never used, or at least, used them in the most rudimentary way. However, j is going to take a look at those types of requests.
post #231 of 286
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Originally Posted by kasakka View Post

Any chance of Tapatalk support for mobile?


Yes, absolutely. It's actually supposed to work better than VB does. This is something that I'll ask our developer to address directly, since I don't even have a smartphone, and couldn't by an app to save my life.
post #232 of 286
I like the direction the new design has taken, but the site is like molasses on my iPad. I used to like to browse while watching tv or out & about on my mobile phone but will probably visit much less often now. The old site loaded very quickly and was pretty responsive. Now, not so much.
post #233 of 286
Were any of the people who looked at the site designers? That seems to be one of the bigger issues as the front page is just confusing and jarring. That and redundancy. For example, from this page there are 10 ways to get back to the home page.

Speed has improved and the lack of spam is great.

Any reason you took away the no avatar option?

lefty
post #234 of 286
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post



Yes, absolutely. It's actually supposed to work better than VB does. This is something that I'll ask our developer to address directly, since I don't even have a smartphone, and couldn't by an app to save my life.


Good to hear. It makes browsing forums on the phone much more bearable.

post #235 of 286
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

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Re, number of threads per page - that is actually greatly increased from the old VB configuration.

For the forum view that is correct. For the home/activity view (which used to be 'new posts) and the subscriptions view (which just used to be userCP), only a few threads are displayed. On the other hand these views make it easier to see which threads have been updated and which haven't, while the forum view does not.
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I have to admit, I am actually a bit of a luddite, and so, a lot of the functions re. subscriptions, etc... I never used, or at least, used them in the most rudimentary way. However, j is going to take a look at those types of requests.

thanks.
post #236 of 286
Does anyone else notice a drop in users that are online? Now seems to be below 1000 most of the time. Could it be related to compatibility of the forum on older browsers/people not updating?
post #237 of 286
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

Does anyone else notice a drop in users that are online? Now seems to be below 1000 most of the time. Could it be related to compatibility of the forum on older browsers/people not updating?

Could be. But the way forums determine who is online varies. So... we'll have to see.
post #238 of 286
I wonder how activity has changed since the update. The search button has been pointless so far. I search a key word and the thread results seem to have no apparent connection to my search. Maybe I don't know how to use it yet, but this is very frustrating and dissuading. I am fairly new to the site and loved using it in the past. I will persist and am hopeful it will improve.
post #239 of 286
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Originally Posted by kellgy View Post

I wonder how activity has changed since the update. The search button has been pointless so far. I search a key word and the thread results seem to have no apparent connection to my search. Maybe I don't know how to use it yet, but this is very frustrating and dissuading. I am fairly new to the site and loved using it in the past. I will persist and am hopeful it will improve.

I was told that the search is still broken. Fuck!!!!!!
post #240 of 286
Do the official stats say that there's fewer users this week post update? I'm just going by the counter on the side. Seems off.
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