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post #1 of 37
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It's time to talk about age differences in the realm of dating. There are varying schools of thought on the subject as a whole, but the complexities and numerous circumstances existing within it should make for some interesting discussion.

A difference in age is probably most under scrutiny for people in the earlier stages of life. A relationship between, say, a 12-year old and a 15-year old is bound to catch more grief than a relationship between a 40-year old and a 43-year old. And with good reason, even though there's the same difference in age (three years) in both circumstances.

At what point does age really become just a number and not a factor that will work against a relationship? Do varying capacities of a relationship have different ramifications or social stigmas. For instance, should we perceive the dude in his late 20's/early 30's banging a 19-year old chick differently than the same guy exclusively dating/marrying that same girl?

Finally, do you think there's more likely to be manipulation present in a relationship where there's a huge age difference? I know it's the cliche alpha male fantasy to be putting in work with a much younger woman or a much older woman (depending on how old you are). And I know manipulative people exist in all demographics, but from personal experiences and shared stories, it seems like these big age difference relationships (say, 10+ years) are often characterized by manipulation, be it subtle or blatant.

Let's share some thoughts and stories about these topics.
post #2 of 37
To make it short: Both I and the girls/women I dated did not yet have a problem with age. I am 19 years old and the youngest of them is 18 and the oldest will celebrate her 30th birthday next month. As for relationships with big age difference I have no experience.
post #3 of 37
Half your age plus 7 almost always works.
post #4 of 37
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Half your age plus 7 almost always works.
Yes, came here to post rule of 7. Though I did get together with a hot 38 year old coworker when I was 25, therefore narrowly violating the rule. In my experience, there was no manipulation present. We're still friends and speak often.
post #5 of 37
I don't think that large age differences is a work of manipulation. I think it is a fairly natural desire from both a social and evolutionary standpoint. For example men in their sixtes are attracted to girls in their late teens and twenties. This has to do with evolution, these woman men are supposed to be attracted to because they are the most capable of bearing children and more of them than say a woman in her late thirties, or late forties. I think somewhere this same desire present in some young women stems from that same evolutionary aspect. The other way around, younger men dating older women I think if the gap is large enough is just due to a man's predatory nature. A perversion more than anything. Oedipal issues could be present as well, but clearly not anything realistic in terms of starting a family.

Socially it is a bit of a different story. Younger girls who like the presence of an older man do so for two reasons, I think. Number one, competition. To show other woman that they are more desireable than others, and also more mature. It distiguishes them from their peers who are mostly similar to one another. Number two, fatherly comfort. I feel that some young girls enjoy the presence of a man in a fatherly sort of way. Somebody that will protect them, comfort them and offer them the kind of stability that a father would. Now you can get into the Freudian aspect with both younger men, and younger women with their parents, but I think an absent father may have an impact on younger girls going for older men.

Also, on the social side dating in huge age differences can be fun, but dating is one thing, marriage is another. I don't understand how anybody older (say past thirty) would think that somebody nineteen through twenty-two would most likely remain in the marriage. If you think back to that time in your life you change a lot. You wisen up, you are beginning to feel life and learn from it. These people are likely going to change as will their tastes and desires. This said teens and early to mid twenties should be out of the picture as far as marriage is concerned to any realist.
post #6 of 37
Manipulation is more related to naive girls then just young girls. There are 30 year old naive women. There are 18 year old very street smart. Having said that if the woman is very naive it more then just simple manipulation. It can be outright abuse. In short it's not the age on the ID it's more the maturity of the person.
post #7 of 37
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post
Socially it is a bit of a different story. Younger girls who like the presence of an older man do so for two reasons, I think. Number one, competition. To show other woman that they are more desireable than others, and also more mature. It distiguishes them from their peers who are mostly similar to one another. Number two, fatherly comfort. I feel that some young girls enjoy the presence of a man in a fatherly sort of way. Somebody that will protect them, comfort them and offer them the kind of stability that a father would. Now you can get into the Freudian aspect with both younger men, and younger women with their parents, but I think an absent father may have an impact on younger girls going for older men.

Strong point, as I think most of us have met girls that fall into one of the two categories. Being mature for your age usually dictates that you'll easily gel with older people. I think there's a sense of intrinsic satisfaction a lot of these girls get from being with someone who offers more stability and a better sense of self compared to guys in the same age bracket as these girls.

Is the older guy-young girl relationship more common than the older woman-young guy? I feel like most of the latter scenarios I hear about are relegated to the one-offs or short-lived, sex-filled "relationships." I know a woman in her mid-30s who seems to exclusively date guys almost young enough to be her son. They're usually intense affairs, but flame out after a few weeks or couple of months.

Meanwhile, the older guy-young girl set-up seems to breed more situations where a guy can kind of rope a girl along with months and months of "getting the milk without buying the cow," because the girl hopes it will turn into something more.
post #8 of 37
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Strong point, as I think most of us have met girls that fall into one of the two categories. Being mature for your age usually dictates that you'll easily gel with older people. I think there's a sense of intrinsic satisfaction a lot of these girls get from being with someone who offers more stability and a better sense of self compared to guys in the same age bracket as these girls.

Is the older guy-young girl relationship more common than the older woman-young guy? I feel like most of the latter scenarios I hear about are relegated to the one-offs or short-lived, sex-filled "relationships." I know a woman in her mid-30s who seems to exclusively date guys almost young enough to be her son. They're usually intense affairs, but flame out after a few weeks or couple of months.

Meanwhile, the older guy-young girl set-up seems to breed more situations where a guy can kind of rope a girl along with months and months of "getting the milk without buying the cow," because the girl hopes it will turn into something more.

I think one could say the competition factor still comes into play with older women and younger men. It lets them know that they are still attractive and makes them feel younger. It can also play a part with their peers if they are relaying the story to their friends. They are still capable attracting candidates to "reproduce". Women also know there is no chance that a far younger man has the means to protect, or support them in the ways they realistically need to survive, however these social aspects make them stand out to their peers and make themselves feel good.
post #9 of 37
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Originally Posted by Mister Shankbone View Post
I think the more appropriate question is not whether X-Y age gap is unseemly, but rather, at what age Y is the younger party in the relationship fully cognizant of his or her actions, and responsible for his or her choices?

I would have no problem with an 18 year old's dating a 45 year old, but I might have an issue with a 15 year old's dating a 20 year old. In these cases, the age difference isn't the issue so much as the age of the younger party in absolute terms. I don't think a 15 year old is any more fit to date a 20 year old than she's fit to date a 21 year old, or a 22 year old, or a 90 year old for that matter.

So say we all.

Eighteen is when things become nice and legal, but how many 18-year-old guys or girls have you met who were mature enough to be involved with someone much older without it being a total shit show? It seems like most people are more or less the finished product by time they hit their mid-20's. That seems like a decent starting point for getting involved with someone older. Being a certain age doesn't automatically yield nothing but wonderful relationships. But I haven't met a lot of people who didn't change in some marked ways from their very late teens to mid-20's.
post #10 of 37
Was married to a woman who was 5 1/2 years younger than me. When we first started dating, I was 25 and she was 20 and it seemed like a huge difference. I was working and she was still in college. After a short time, I never noticed much difference.

Since my divorce I've dating almost exclusively women who were younger than me by anywhere from 1 to 10 years. I have a buddy who in his late 40's has dated women in their mid-20's; a clear violation of 7 year rule.

Age is only a shorthand for life experience. There can be two people who are very close in age who have completely different life experiences and nothing to talk about. By the same token there can be people with significant age differences that are very compatable. I wouldn't necessarily rule anything out. By the same token, it is difficult to conceive of anything but a very rare situation where I would be comfortable dating someone younger than in her mid-30's, say.

I don't go older for the most part, but that's because I'm Shallow Hal.
post #11 of 37
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Eighteen is when things become nice and legal, but how many 18-year-old guys or girls have you met who were mature enough to be involved with someone much older without it being a total shit show? It seems like most people are more or less the finished product by time they hit their mid-20's. That seems like a decent starting point for getting involved with someone older. Being a certain age doesn't automatically yield nothing but wonderful relationships. But I haven't met a lot of people who didn't change in some marked ways from their very late teens to mid-20's.

I have found that most young people who are mature for their age still have a very strong niavety. A lot of the girls that I have met who are young that would fit this category are not truly "mature", but smart, which passes for maturity in a lot of cases. Also, anybody who outcright says they are mature for their age usually clearly isn't and they come across as trying way to hard to be one of those people.
post #12 of 37
I have been dating an age-appropriate woman since October. I am going back to jailbait. Effective immediately.
post #13 of 37
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Originally Posted by Mister Shankbone View Post
Full disclosure, gents: I am a 45 year old man dating a 19 year old. He is a little naive, but he is mature enough to understand the consequences of his actions. There are plenty of things that I am naive about, even in my advanced years! Who isn't naive about some of this or some of that?

What MATTERS is when two people LOVE each other.

Amen brother, amen.
post #14 of 37
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Originally Posted by tj100 View Post
Half your age plus 7 almost always works.

THIS. I was thirty and dated a twenty year old and a twenty-one year old. The twenty-one year old thing lasted off and on for almost three years, but was pretty stupid. Now 34 with a 28 year old and happier.
post #15 of 37
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I have been dating an age-appropriate woman since October.
I am going back to jailbait.
Effective immediately.

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