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post #136 of 255
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Well you're leaving this thread, and I'll take credit for that.

No one is saying that others think foo is the only one with a Napolitan tailoring experince, except you and the other 2 clowns.

Foo has not said that his experience is the best/most authentic one, nor the only valid one,, which is what you guys are getting your panties in a bunch about.

If you guys think it's not representative of a Napolitan tailoring exprience, or if you feel that strongly about your better/more authentic Napolitan tailoring experiences and your awesome clothes, start your own threads, not shit up threads started by others.
You are ridiculous. Don't tell other what to do and you will not be shown where to go.

As for Foo and his experience, he has only tried Rubi among lots of other tailors in Naples. It is great that he had a great experience over there, but saying that nobody in Naples does quite what they do in terms of service is at least strange. I did not order anything from Rubi and do not plan for a number of reasons. What can I say, is that I already had experience with 4 sartorias and three camicerias in Naples and have always received a fantastic service. And I am sure that I will receive great service in the future.
post #137 of 255
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You are ridiculous. Don't tell other what to do and you will not be shown where to go.
The irony is strong with this one.
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As for Foo and his experience, he has only tried Rubi among lots of other tailors in Naples. It is great that he had a great experience over there, but saying that nobody in Naples does quite what they do in terms of service is at least strange.
http://tweedinthecity.wordpress.com/...i-laboratorio/ Go ahead, show us the quote where he claims that.
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I did not order anything from Rubi and do not plan for a number of reasons. What can I say, is that I already had experience with 4 sartorias and three camicerias in Naples and have always received a fantastic service. And I am sure that I will receive great service in the future.
So, in a nutshell, you haven't actually tried his tailor, but you're 100% sure your tailors are just as good if not better? Come on.
post #138 of 255
I, personally, fail to understand how opinions and stories (touristy or not) shared by marcodalondra, banis and others 'derail' this thread or devalue mafoofan's initial (and, once again, excellent) post.

For me, it's quite opposite -- they enrich it with a different viewpoint and a bit of dialogue. No one has monopoly on truth.

Andrey
post #139 of 255
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Unless his intention is a tailor shootout, why does he have to be unbiased?

At the end of the day, you care enough about this imaginary problem to shit up his thread, but not enough to start your own thread. It's not your responsibility to make sure every decent tailor in Naples gets his 2 minutes of fame.

And if you really feel it is, like I said - start your own thread.

So much for 'sharing other views'.

He did start his won threads

http://www.styleforum.net/search.php?searchid=10674267
post #140 of 255
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
http://tweedinthecity.wordpress.com/...i-laboratorio/

Go ahead, show us the quote where he claims that.
Here you are:
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
Overpriced compared to what? As far as I know, nobody in Naples does quite what they do in terms of service, and the prices are inline with what other internationally-renowned tailors charge.

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So, in a nutshell, you haven't actually tried his tailor, but you're 100% sure your tailors are just as good if not better? Come on.
Did I say that Rubi's service was poor?
post #141 of 255
'As far as he knows' banis. And FFS, given you've never tried Rubi you don't really know either whether they might be better/worse at all, which given the fuss you're kicking up makes it all seem quite Look, you have some great garments, but so does foo, and at the end of the day, I don't think this my tailor is better than yours pissing contest helps anyone, especially when the basis for it is when you come down to it - not personal experience, but instead gossip/innuendo spread by Rubi's competitors.
post #142 of 255
As you say - FFS - he says about his experience and I tell about mine. I've been to the LH maybe three of five times and had a nice service. At the same time, I received by any means not worse service at any other place. Even if I did not order anything. Noone is shitting under the tables of Rubi's tailors or in the their mailbox with saying that any particular house is better. As for competitors in bespoke tailoring, I personally don't think that Rubi has any in Naples. Maybe Attolini, but I doubt it. Manton has stated some reasons above and I tend to agree with what he said. No tailors that I spoke to could say that LH is their direct competitor. At the same time, none of those tailors could say a bad word about Rubi's quality or service. They either tried not to discuss this topic or to say a couple of good words about them and to change topic.
post #143 of 255
Kind of an interesting thread.

It would have been better if others has started their own threads about the tailors they like. Knocking bias with ones own bias accomplishes what? But showing what you like about tailors, in this case, instead of knocking a tailor, would be a good achievement. Raining on somebodies parade isn't very nice. Parading other tailors would be beneficial. Knit-picking isn't very instructive. But starting threads about tailors you like is a learning experience for everybody. I would like to know about these other tailors, but those of you bashing another tailor instead of telling us about these other tailors your wasting my time your time and everybody's time. Tell me about these other tailors you like, what you like about them and show some pictures, and then, those who read and see can make up their own minds about them or wonder. Without a good presentation you guys are just a bunch of wasted hot air. Mafoofan put out a nice presentation. You other guys can do the same for the tailors you like. Be constructive - not destructive. It is a shame that only a few tailors get written about on these forums. Those who have from other tailors and refuse to write and show help nobody.
post #144 of 255
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Originally Posted by andreyb2 View Post
I, personally, fail to understand how opinions and stories (touristy or not) shared by marcodalondra, banis and others 'derail' this thread or devalue mafoofan's initial (and, once again, excellent) post.

For me, it's quite opposite -- they enrich it with a different viewpoint and a bit of dialogue. No one has monopoly on truth.

Andrey


Exactly. Thank God there are individuals that are obviously educated and openminded!
post #145 of 255
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
The most difficult and important sewing is around the armhole, attaching the sleeve to the jacket’s body. Thus, the work is designated to the most experienced tailors and completed in a dedicated workroom.
Does it mean that LH adheres to something like "sectionalized" system, employed by Huntsman in its glory days? Andrey
post #146 of 255
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Originally Posted by andreyb2 View Post
I, personally, fail to understand how opinions and stories (touristy or not) shared by marcodalondra, banis and others 'derail' this thread or devalue mafoofan's initial (and, once again, excellent) post.

For me, it's quite opposite -- they enrich it with a different viewpoint and a bit of dialogue. No one has monopoly on truth.

Andrey

+1. It's quite nice and informative to hear other perspectives re: something most of us have had first hand account of. Apropros - your last few posts have been strangely aggressive despite this not even being your thread.
post #147 of 255
An interesting post on Rubinacci in "Permanent Style" blog.

Here is what Luca says:

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"I hate it when people talk on the forums about what is right and what is completely wrong," says Luca. "Everyone has a different idea of what's classic and what's stylish."

Luca also believes it is silly today to classify a tailor as either Neapolitan or English. "To be successful worldwide you have to do everything. We can do an English shoulder and I've seen a spalla camicia done by Huntsman. It may have been a challenge to be the best Neapolitan tailor when there were 300 of them, but not any more. Now it is a challenge to be the best in the world."

Did he read (or, rather, predicted) this thread?

Andrey
post #148 of 255
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
I just got to putting up the first blog post on my recent trip to Naples. I started with a write-up of my tour of the Rubinacci laboratorio. I know I can be accused of bias, but I think you'll agree that their setup is quite something. Everybody knows the prices are high, but I hoped to make it more clear what you're getting for your money. Every stitch in each jacket is by hand, except for the long sleeve seams and the center seam running down the back panel.


[ I've got more to post about, including more about what I ordered at Rubinacci, and a visit to Cappelli. Stay tuned.

An excellent and informative post Matt. I look forward to those that follow. A same about some of the posts below but that is life.
post #149 of 255
FWIW, I've only seen one spalla camicia done by an English tailor and I did not think it looked great.
post #150 of 255
Thread Starter 
Of course, it's great to have different perspectives in a discussion. My only qualm is when these perspectives are pushed on an ad hominem basis. That I'm a tourist or non-Neapolitan should have nothing to do with the validity of my observations, so long as I'm not claiming to be an insider.

To clarify what I mean by Rubinacci offering better service: I know of no other Neapolitan tailor that makes such regular visits to New York, speaks fluent English, and offers a transparent, formalized pricing structure. If anyone else does, please let me know. On top of that, I have been extremely pleased with Rubinacci's willingness to correct every single 'error' that arises, even if it requires remaking an entire garment. It's true, I am not familiar with other Neapolitan tailors' performance in that respect, but Rubinacci compares very favorably against accounts of other internationally well-known tailors.
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