^it's edge line of a fabric that has been self finished instead of chainstitched around to prevent unraveling. its indicative of loom quality, but not necessarily fabric quality looking back at my comments they were pretty inflammatory and i prolly do deserve this kind of reply. i'll try to be more courteous in my replies
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And guess what kind of people are mostly used in these studies. People that don't know what an artichoke, an aubergine, fennel is. People that actually think joghurt with strawberry flavouring (made of mold on wood shavings.. or maybe even petroleum) tastes more authentic than normal joghurt with normal strawberries. I really don't care about such studies made for people who don't have their own minds - or sense of taste. I prefer organic food, but I wouldn't say that all non-organic food tastes bad. It can obviously taste pretty much the same. It can also taste like crap. As can organic food.
if organic produce is indeed much better tasting it would make sense that anybody who tastes it can tell the difference right? what's the use of a better tasting produce if only a small subset of people can taste the difference? or if you have to train to taste the difference? a good product should clearly taste better. at some point you have to wonder if you simply think it tastes better because of an organic label.
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To come to the point - no form of mass planting - neither conventionel nor organic - is good. It is harmful to the environment.
this i most definitely agree with. from what i understand the gold standard of farming is extensive, not intensive farming, with great biodiversity, crop rotations, and other practices that result in low nutrient leeching.
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And statements like these are ridiculous. If you use many pesticides on your vegetables it is bad for the environment. If you prophylactically use antibiotics on all your cattle it
is bad. Not only that it pollutes the environment, it helps creating multiresistant bacterias. (Actually trying to sterilize beef with ammoniac does no good, too..) And besides these major points, the most important point you try to deny is that these pesticides, herbicides and antibiotics do fucking harm us. Pesticides act as hormons (people today come into puberty years before pople did a century ago... coincidence? maybe.), antibiotics, as said, create bacterias like MRSA. This is no fun and just because of mass farming. You should know whether you like to use good food to keep your body running or not so good food. Just compare it with your, say, car. How much do you pay for your engine oil? How much for your olive oil? Now that the WHO officially states that cell phones
might lead to brain tumours, guess what pesticides do in your body...
statements like these make me think you clearly read the news. what you dont read are the studies the news media reports on. the who study you talk about isnt even due to be out yet until later this year. so how do you know what kind of recommendation the who actually gives? what is might? how many ppl out of how many ppl get cancer from cell phone usage on how many minutes of usage? you have no idea. it could be that 1 person out 100 million ppl gets brain cancer on an average of 5 hours of cell phone usage a day and a person would be able to claim that cell phone usage is
correlated with brain tumors the vast majority of these toxicity tests of pesticides, etc. are done on non humans because guess what? it's illegal to subject people to pesticides to see what kind of harm it does on them. guess what else? non humans aren't humans. they have different metabolic pathways than humans. the best you can hope for is that whatever protein, genetic interaction you are studying has a homolog in humans and extrapolate and that last step in most cases turns out not to be true. even worse most consumers never come in contact with these pesticides in the amount that it causes harm. the EPA makes sure that the upper limit of consumption is far more conservative than it needs to be. for example recommended meat cooking temperatures from the USDA are set at a far more conservative value than needs to be simply because it's their ass on the line if ppl start getting sick from potential bacteria in foods. in addition to make a statement like pesticides are harmful to humans is like saying scientists found a cure for cancer. there's so many pesticides out there you'd have to be able to point out which pesticides are harmful, just like there's so many cancers with different mechanisms out there you'd have to point out which cancers this is a cure for.
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The general problem is that the demand grows and there are not only good farmers that produce organic food. Person X, a non-organic farmer, smells the chance to make lots of money. He now produces organic food (at the edge of the directives) and makes use of many methods that are not good. These people just want profit. That's what you don't like about organic food. You think they rip you off with bad products. We in the EU have special organisations that have much stricter directives on how to grow food. E.g. Bioland, Naturland or Demeter (has one of the highest standards). If you buy their food you can be sure that they do not or minimally harm the environment, only use fungicides as the last choice - not as often as those profit oriented organic farmers do [yes, here in the EU there are fungicides allowed, e.g. copper which is not good for the environment either... (but it will be forbidden in 2016..)] and so on.
i do wish the us had similar sets of standards. i do like the proactive stance the EU takes on potentially dangerous chemicals. in the EU the standard seems to be guilty until proven innocent, whereas in the US the stance is innocent until clearly proven guilty. there has to be some kind of balance in the middle. on one hand the chemicals that are debated might actually turn out to be harmful the in the amounts consumed. on the other hand you might be preventing farmers from using a cost effective method that might even save their livelihood simply because rats dont respond well to it.
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Well, then simply just eat once or twice chicken breasts a week and not every day. Ask your grand parents whether they suffered when they didn't get to eat meat every day. Think about it. This was a fucking animal. A whole chicken that either got raised in a few weeks without ever seeing daylight or a chicken that got raised in some months breathing fresh air, seeing daylight. Now don't tell me chicken can't appreciate that.
you're telling me to starve simply because the chicken i otherwise might eat was raised uncomfortably? i need protein to retain muscle. chicken meat is the cheapest meat i can get besides tuna and it tastes better.
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Now, if someone puts you into boiling water, you want to get out. You might scream like hell, whether the lobster uses his kind of communication, I don't know. So what's the difference? You try to get out, the lobster tries to get out. How do you know whether the lobster suffers? Just because some researchers state they did examinate the lobsters brainwaves and it shows no signs of suffering? How can we say that if we don't even know what causes Alzheimer?
i am not a lobster. what happens to a lobster in a pot of boiling water is not the same thing as what happens to a human in a pot of boiling water. i dont think you read my post. let me try and simplify it for you. pain is different from suffering. pain is when opiod molecules hit opiod receptors because decomposition of cells secrete certain molecules (some that are directly opiods and some that indirectly actiate opiods). these receptors transmit signals to the brain to indicate pain and the brain then causes corrective behavior. suffering is a metaphysical step. it's consciousness about pain. it's computations of pain signals, not the pain signals themselves. in humans this step happens in the cerebral cortex. lobsters do not have a cerbral cortex. thus they do not suffer because they do not know what pain is. pain is simply a sensation to them that they have to avoid. wtf does this have to do with alzheimer?
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I do not demand everyone to be vegetarian, I simply want you to worship what you eat. This is not some kind of plastic. Think about it.
but see the question is what does it mean to worship what you eat? eat everything on your plate? lick your plate? reuse the fat drippings to cook more food? reuse the shells to make stock? if i dont do any one of these things am i no longer worshiping what i eat?
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You are kidding, right? Food colourings cause ADHD of young people. Flavour enhancers make fat. Enzymes make sick. Sweeterners make fat and sick...
none of these are true. especially the food coloring and adhd. at the most you can state food colorings may be correlated with adhd in a small number of young people. correlated not cause. cite me a study and i will walk you through it.
this might turn out to be the dumbest thread i made besides the louis vuitton one, but this has been weighing on my thoughts. a friend sent me this youtube video and it got me thinking about food again. the most education i've got on this issue is what i've read from omnivore's dilemma, watching future of foodon hulu and food, incon netflix, and reading the lobster article that was posted which i can't find. i live off of a wegmans nearby and I for some reason had trusted that the animals and farmers were treated ok. i've been finding out more and more that the wegmans brand stuff isnt that much different from any other store. in all the premade food they sell there's a lot of stuff in there. for example my friend left ithaca and left me some prepackaged chicken breasts marinaded in a lemon garlic sauce from wegmans. there's so much stuff in here. like i dont understand why you need thickeners like xantham gum or food coloring or soybean oil in a simple marinade. I strongly disagree that industrialization or food chemicals and additives are unhealthy as there's little proof that they are. However the addition of such products simply means to me that the product is of lower quality. you can just simply google wegmans animal cruelty or the like and find stuff like http://www.wegmanscruelty.com/
however i do think maybe the advantage of wegmans is that while they sell the usual shitty store stuff, they also have great quality produce like grass fed beef, free range chickens, etc. there's even a section for jamon iberico, wagyu bone in ribeye steaks, dry aged prime ribeye steaks, wild caught salmon etc also i personally feel that you can eat farmed seafood without guilt over animal suffering as lobsters and fish and the like simply do not have the cerebral cortex to process computations about pain. in other words they have no metaphysical understanding of pain (ie when they feel pain they dont think "hey this is painful"). if you put a lobster in boiling water it tries to get out because its opoid receptors are telling its brain that its' body is getting destroyed which results in behavior that tries to escape it, but it doesnt suffer because it cant understand pain. whether or not farmed seafood is environmentally conscious is a different matter anyways this is all a moot point for me as the fact is that I simply can't afford the higher quality and more humane produce whether at wegmans or the farmer's market. I need protein to live and being a student to get the amount of food I need on the budget I have I simply can't afford to pay 10 dollars for 2 free range chicken breasts. for the same amount i could get 8 breasts of chickens that had their beaks cut off, grown in cramped spaces, clubbed to death, etc. the most i can do is buy locally grown eggs from free range chickens. i've participated in a CSA before, but unfortunately it only happens in the summer and it's still pretty expensive. also on the issue of organic branding. organic really has nothing to do with humane treatment or environmentally conscious. it just specifies what fertilizers a farmer can use. so i personally think it's a huge scam and purposefully avoid things that say organic. i also feel that they are not of any appreciable higher quality. what do you guys do? do you just buy whatever and not think about it? if you can afford it what kind of produce do you buy? do you produce without thinking where it came from? if you're conscious about it do you buy simply anything that's labelled organic or do you actually go to a farmer's market and buy from a trusted vendor where you've seen how they produce their produce? if you know a lot more about the issue could you please point me to documentaries that you trust or some books that you appreciated?
