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Wow thanks guys. I really appreciate the help.
Sinnedk- Those are the ones I'm going for!
i think you should get them at the price that they are now. Vaz is surely better quality than shoto, no doubt.
oh man... screw shoto! after that experience, i am very hessitant with getting shoes that hide the stitching joining outsole and welt
I think you would have nothing to worry about Vaz. Don't know about shoto, but having handled Vaz myself, and my brother's CCP boots, I can say that both are very well made. Vaz has the cleaner look, and the sole is definitely much thicker than all the Guidis I own. Just add a Vibram sole, and these boots could probably last longer than you. I'm really tempted to get the derbies too, but I'm not sure if 40 would first me at all. If I were you, and I wanted a clean looking boot, I think at that price, those are too good to pass up.
hey since you have seen Vaz boots in person, is the sole double leather? the website doesnt show the sole
yea, the soles are double leather. maybe I could take some pics for you before you decide. I'll have the pics by tomorrow.