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The Official Artisanal "streetwear" footwear (boots, shoes, sandals) thread (Guidi, CCP, Augusta, M.A.+, M Moria, Carpe Diem, etc..) - Page 1433post #21482 of 224507/7/16 at 8:07amI think Marsell is ignored because the majority of theire designs at their price points aren't that great. I think i've seen one marsell boot i've ever liked. At 225 there is absolutely no reason not to buy and enjoy even if cemented construction. However, i've only seen them at the 500 range on sale and at that cost i'd put my money towards Buttero whom makes a fantastic boot.
TLDR: odd designs at a high price point.post #21483 of 224507/7/16 at 8:50amQuote:Originally Posted by sinnedk
I think Marsell is ignored because the majority of theire designs at their price points aren't that great. I think i've seen one marsell boot i've ever liked. At 225 there is absolutely no reason not to buy and enjoy even if cemented construction. However, i've only seen them at the 500 range on sale and at that cost i'd put my money towards Buttero whom makes a fantastic boot.
TLDR: odd designs at a high price point.
Thank you for this great answer. Yeah, at $225, I am quite happy with these boots. In some ways, they are so ugly to me, that they are "cool." I just need to figure out how to wear them without people thinking I'm a clueless douche. A friend said they looked like rubber rain boots, such as Hunter, with my pants leg down over them. The shoe portion of them is whole-cut. Maybe I'll just wear them in the rain. I could always treat them for greater water-resistance...
Of course, Marsell is going to have a tough time if their boots only look like a good value at 80% off.
Do people think trashing and ditressing Viberg work boots (http://www.workboot.com) that can be purchased for under $500 USD, would turn them into artisanal footwear? This is not a real business model, but I would think one could get reasonable results. Especially their nailed construction work boots could be considerable abused without having any structural problems. I could melt those Vibram soles a bit with the right heat gun. Sand paper and the right chemicals could take care of the uppers.post #21484 of 224507/7/16 at 9:11amI am not sure how to answer that.
Are you asking if there is a market for beat up vibergs? probably but not in this thread.
if you are asking whether you can pass off vibergs as something similar to items in this thread, i guess you can and no one is stopping you. Honestly its more about the overall look you are going for an not just the shoe. I've seen a guy "mothman" or something on stylezeitgeist wearing aldens in his fits and it works. I find viberg's boots boring but I'm sure you can get a pair in cool leather wear them hard and pair with some artisan clothing.
Dressing a certain way is not limited to certain brands. For example, I like rick, ccp, attachment, devoa, ma+, those are all great but i can get some items in say uniqlo, nudie, apc and make it work. some may scoff at that but the truth is style has rules for classic mens dress more so than streetwear. streetwear is about breaking rules and looking cool.
@nahneun i expect a contradiction of sorts from youpost #21485 of 224507/7/16 at 9:22am
Viberg have actually done some pretty unusual one-off treatments on some of their boots, like this guy: https://viberg.com/blogs/journal/8367827-distressed-service-boot though that wasn't for sale, possibly obviously. A couple of others I'm forgetting about now. They also recently did a reverse shell run with visible horween stamps, to the amusement of the r/goodyearwelt people. I think it would be great it they did more experimentation.post #21486 of 224507/7/16 at 9:24ampost #21487 of 224507/7/16 at 9:30ampost #21488 of 224507/7/16 at 9:58am
I was trying to be a bit provocative. I read back a ways in the thread and people were discussing how artisanal footwear might use less-robust construction techniques than traditional footwear. The point was made that people seeking artisanal footwear were prioritizing different things than people buying products from the likes of Edward Green or John Lobb. I think that is totally fine. Fashion, style, and design are independent of utilitarian concerns. Few people pay the premium for Porsches based on their potential longevity and reliability, and justify them as "economical" over the long run.
That said, I feel there is some overlap in design elements between certain traditional makers and artisanal makers, such that it wouldn't be preposterous to say one could approximate certain looks with do-it-yourself distressing of certain appropriate base models. Although I do own John Lobb and Viberg footwear, among others, I don't have any experience with artisanal footwear, so I can't say, if it demonstrates qualities beyond design and aesthetics that make it stand out.
Also, I am probably just oblivious to fine details in styling that distinguish artisanal products from traditional products, so it just might be a stupid question. Although I care a lot about aesthetics and appreciate Vibergs a lot, I could never get super worked up over things like eight versus nine eyelets, so it may just be my general approach, and have little to do with artisanal footwear at all.
I can say that the artisanal footwear in this thread continues to grow on me as I spend more time "being into footwear."post #21489 of 224507/7/16 at 10:21amActually for the most part the construction techniques are on par. It's either Goodyear welt or Blake for most items. MMOira does everything by hand.
This realm of footwear is less about looking perfect and chiseled like JL or EG and more about interesting leathers and distressing. While the boots look messier it doesn't make them any less well made.
I haven't had a bad experience with most my footwear but you know shit happens in any brand so someone may have a a1923 issue other may have a JL issue it happens. Quality is sometimes subjective IMO.
Rarely do people really test out the resilience of stylish shoes. I think people beat things like red wing and wolverine much more than guidi or John lobb. I may be wrongpost #21490 of 224507/7/16 at 10:22ampost #21491 of 224507/7/16 at 10:29ampost #21492 of 224507/7/16 at 10:39ampost #21493 of 224507/7/16 at 10:45amQuote:Originally Posted by Whirling
Do the following count as artisanal? What do people think of them?
well guidi is considered artisinal so i lean to yes. but by the looks of the guidi-rosellini i'd say they border the viberg realm of footwear.post #21494 of 224507/8/16 at 7:56pmWhile browsing through Idol Brooklyn, I looked through the footwear from M Moria. I am very impressed. It looks beautiful to me. It's $3,000 USD generally? The website didn't list any prices, but people seem to quote that figure around here. It looks very durable and robust...do people have much experience with M Moria?
I decided to pass on the Guidi-Rosellinis, as I was worried about sizing and their being "final sale."post #21495 of 224507/8/16 at 8:14pm
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