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I think everyone is thinking of pn/p pricing, but they are sold out And everywhere else the price is a bit har and everywhere else the price is a bit hother, closer to what I'm asking for .

Look, it's not a morally dubious thing or anything like that, but it's pretty unrealistic. This is a world where people complain about paying duties, or $35 for shipping, or even when sales are not 50%+ off...
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Why don't you give away your house to people in need? Isn't that the same logic

I'm not trying to pass on my house and say what a great guy I am. I was laughing because your tone was disingenuous.

Also, I'd price my house at a market rate, not at a price that people look at and shake their heads at.
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I'm not trying to pass on my house and say what a great guy I am. I was laughing because your tone was disingenuous.

I'm glad you can tell my tone through the Internet.
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I'm glad you can tell my tone through the Internet.

It wasn't that hard in context. You think you're a fair guy and why don't people understand your honest offer, and are exasperated by those looking for a huge deal.
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On another, more footwear related note, my Guidi 017 in reverse horse in cream are still not here.  Guidi seems to be taking its time with custom orders. They were due in early-mid summer (June or July), and Holger said that they *might* be in the next shipment, which sounds like the end of October, beginning of Nov, but no guarantees.  I sympathize wih him.  It sucks to be a small retailer with an increasingly impatient customer, who really has zero control over production schedules (if you are big retailer with gigantic orders, you can bet your bottom dollar that your order can find itself to the top of the heap.)

 

I guess that it serves me right for wanting stuff that actually doens't exist :foo:

 

Honestly, I don't see why more "casual/contemporary" US stores don't carry Guidi. A lot of EU stores do this, and in Japan, it seems to be pretty common in pretty broad Japanese multibrand stores.  A lot  of the derbies (016, 992) and chukka stu;es (994, 994ms) as well as lace up taller boots (995) seem to be a pretty natural fit with denim, esepcially in the grey through brown spectrums.  Guidi's own boots, as opposed to a lot of the other companies that use the Guidi leather, have a wide range of styles, with the only commonality being the leather.

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It wasn't that hard in context. You think you're a fair guy and why don't people understand your honest offer, and are exasperated by those looking for a huge deal.


Let's stop this conversation has nothing to do with the topic anymore and it is assumptive and judgemental for no reason.

I won't be replying to anymore posts about assumptions about me.
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Let's stop this conversation has nothing to do with the topic anymore and it is assumptive and judgemental for no reason.

I won't be replying to anymore posts about assumptions about me.

Yeah, fair enough. 

 

That said, I've spent a lot of time studying the dynamics of peer-to-peer marketplaces, work in one capacity or another with people who have build fairly to very successful such platforms, and also communicate regularly with Ebay and Styleforum powersellers, and I think that that does qualify me to comment on the dynamics of such marketplaces.  There ARE sellers who can sell pieces at retail or even above retail in certain cases, but they have a very specific audience, and are hunkered down for the long haul. They also tend to move a lot of lower priced items in the meantime, waiting for that elusive alignment of the stars when the buyer who really wants a specific piece finds their listing.  And it helps that the pieces are limited and rare and sought after pieces from past seasons.  

 

Custom Tornadoes?  Yeah, maybe I can see it happening, but it could take a good long while, and maybe just be prepared to have to reject a lot of offers or set a lower limit to which you will bargain, and always come back with that number in a template email.  "Thanks for your offer. I'm afraid that my lowest price is going to be $1500/1600/whatever, if you wish to offer this, I will be prepared to make an immediate sale."

 

Incidentally, as a buyer, I am probably the best type you will find.  I rarely bother bargaining unless there is a OBO of if I am buying bultiple items, in which case, I will both 1) Set the highest price I am willing to pay, and 2) Offer 20% under that so that I have room to go up.  I always usually pay within an hour of acceptance, the exception being if we've made alternative arrangements.  I never try to bargain afte the fact, and I never ask for things that might get the seller in trouble, like marking down the vaue on the package. 

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Got a chance to check out m_moriabc again in person today. Holy shit, these might be the best shoes ever.

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Got a chance to check out m_moriabc again in person today. Holy shit, these might be the best shoes ever.

I'll be the first to admit... I don't really get it...  Why are they so awesome?  I can see that the welt of a few models is really cool.  But otherwise, while they look nice, like someone stripped down some CM footwear and then made them into more streetwear friendly shapes, but... don't see the reason for the hype from online pictures.  Serious question. If they came in lighter colors, I'd be tempted just to see what all the fuss is about, but from online pictures.  Do they carry them at The Archive?  I'm not going to have time to check them out in NYC.

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I handled some at PnP

They are nice to the touch and very light (from the hand-welting I assume), and very well-finished.
All the models they had there, plus most of the ones I've seen online, have been of the plain and bulbous toe variety.

If you're looking for a clean boot with the bulbous toe shape, then there is no better choice.

Not sure it is really my style, would love to see more of the sleeker lasts and the slightly more interesting models and colors
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Has anyone washed their (vibramed) tornadoes using the booklet instructions?
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@LA Guy I don't think Archive carries them but Cruvoir does. They're also more impressive in person than in pictures.

 

I didn't "get" them at first either. They just sort of grew on me over time (or maybe I've been hanging out on this thread and drinking the koolaid for too long) So here's what I like about m_moriabc:

 

Let's start with the lasts, they're just really nice. It's rounded and has a roomy toebox without being clunky like an Alden or a Budapester. My feet are slightly wide and sometimes my pinky and big toe get a little pinched but it narrows through the waist and the heel so that it cupsyour foot nicely to prevent heel slip. Other "artisan" boots didn't fit me as well as these did. The lines of the last flow really well and create a very organic shape. I think the shape is a perfect blend of classic shoemaking and the slightly exaggerated proportions of Carpe Diem.

 

For the craftsmanship, no corners are cut, the make is on par with the best CM bespoke. Stitching on the upper is very minimal and clean, high stitches per inch etc. The welt stitches are very nice and even. On the 'goodyear' models, the sole is cut very close to the upper. This requires a lot of skill, demanding extra care when cutting the insole and stitching the sole so that you do not damage the upper. The sole is beautifully done, you can't even where they cut for the channel. The waist is slightly beveled. The wooden nails do make a difference, at least visually.

 

The leather is really fantastic too. I find shell cordovan to sometimes be a bit plasticy and lifeless but I didn't get that with m_moriabc. The pictures I've seen of other people's boots show that it's wearing in really well. The non-black color ways have really good depth from the hand-painting.

 

The pricing is high but if you compare it to ma+ or a1923, the price is a bit higher but quality wise it blows them out of the water (a1923 is probably closer to it than ma+ quality wise but there's still a large gap) Pricing on CM brands like Gaziano Girling is also 2200+ for shell boots and those are still machine welted Goodyear.

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Not sure it is really my style, would love to see more of the sleeker lasts and the slightly more interesting models and colors

Well if you make mmoria sleeker you have CM boots. A few "gimmicks" aside (wooden nails) I don't think there's anything objectively better about the construction of these vs. some handwelted CM shoes like Bonafés or St. Crispins (because at that price range mmoria surely must be handwelted, right?). The black shell cordovan doesn't look any different from any other boots I've seen. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

So I think the niche mmoria is trying to fill is basically CM boots with more SWD shapes.

I'd however welcome a new trend of not overly distressed boots in the "artisanal" world. What I don't get are the prices, and makes me wonder what's to come. 6k boots? 12k boots?
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I'll be the first to admit... I don't really get it...  Why are they so awesome?

Could you answer this very same question regarding Hender Schemes?

Serious question, I saw you were looking for a pair, and I truly don't get those. smile.gif
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Not sure it is really my style, would love to see more of the sleeker lasts and the slightly more interesting models and colors

Well if you make mmoria sleeker you have CM boots.

Rubbish. What about CCP? They are sleek without being CM
There are a host of aesthetic differences between "CM" boots and the arte povera and avante-garde footwear
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