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post #16 of 34
I challenge anyone to find anything wrong with this man's stylistic tendencies:

post #17 of 34
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I challenge anyone to find anything wrong with this man's stylistic tendencies:


You have to love the jumper...
post #18 of 34
I'm very objective and blunt.

Stirs sensitive people up.
post #19 of 34
I think it's impossible to remove all subjectivity from a critique of someone else's outfit, or from the exercise of prescribing stylistic rules to be followed by others. Even the best critics will concede -- or should concede -- that their concepts of style are based on a set of influences they've encountered or texts they've read or movies they've seen, rather than on theoretical attempts (probably futile) to piece together ideal uses for each item in combination with all others, and in all possible contexts. We start to learn what we like only when we see it -- either on someone else, or through experimentation on ourselves. Even the experts (anyone from Flusser or Boyer on down to Vox, Manton, Will, etc.) have formed their opinions over many years of observation and synthesis from outside influences. Accordingly, perfect objectivity is impossible because objective standards do not exist. Platonic ideal forms do not exist. And the whole thing is more fluid, and more subject to fashions of the day, than we'd like to believe or let on. Of all the critics I've read regularly, Will does a particularly nice job of being as objective as possible. His blog presents a wide variety of stylistic subjects and influences, from the most conservative to the most dandyish. He does not seem to have a guiding philosophy or bent to his critique; he concerns himself primarily with what looks good or does not, and he acknowledges that, at least to some extent, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. On the other side of the fence, Flusser's work with color theory and "tone" is the most successful attempt I've seen to lay down a theoretical / semi-objective framework for the prescription of style. One wishes that Flusser followed his own advice, but alas.
post #20 of 34
Some angry members, can't see past the fact that they dislike another poster. They'll hate whatever they wear. Their judgment is muddied by this.

Lear
post #21 of 34
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Originally Posted by mktitsworth View Post
I think there's an argument from Wittgenstein about something like this somewhere...
-ahh, the Tractatus, 7
post #22 of 34
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Originally Posted by Lear View Post
Some angry members, can't see past the fact that they dislike another poster. They'll hate whatever they wear. Their judgment is muddied by this.

Lear

It is human nature...

We find difficult to criticize our internet friends and too easy forgetting our foes sartorial qualities..

It is why we see terrible outfits being praised or very mildly criticized when others get slaughtered for far less...
post #23 of 34
True. However, it's the level of anger that baffles me, out of all proportion to the subject at hand. That's why I could never post my suit pics in WAYWRN. I'd like to imagine these posters are playing nasty; that in real life they're placid and polite. After all, it's only clothing

Lear
post #24 of 34
Fundamentally, the answer is largely now. There are some objectives, like collar or shirt sleeve lengths, and that one should not wear both braces and a belt, but many other things are so subjective and individual, and dependent on personality, body type, confidence, outlook, etc... I have seem some outfits posted that would look horrid on me, but on the wearer are absolutely amazing. My own style is influence heavily by a mixture of Victorian, Pre-War British, post war Corporate, 1980s yuppy, with a lot of influence by A SUITABLE WARDROBE. A look at things through this slant, and of course this effects my outlook. I am not a huge fan of flamboyant trousers: I prefer loud shirts.
post #25 of 34
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Originally Posted by Lear View Post
True. However, it's the level of anger that baffles me, out of all proportion to the subject at hand. That's why I could never post my suit pics in WAYWRN. I'd like to imagine these posters are playing nasty; that in real life they're placid and polite. After all, it's only clothing

Lear

If you post something , you're taking the risk to be bullied , criticized , praised and sometimes overpraised...

It is only worth it if you need reconition , to be adored or followed or to become a hate figure in certain clinical cases..

I prefer to enjoy my suits in my little circle and I must admit being puzzled by certain people's need to post oics of themselves all the time..

It is very difficult to be impartial because we are human after all and some people ethics , behaviours , views of the world are sometimes making them unbearable..
post #26 of 34
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Originally Posted by Lear View Post
True. However, it's the level of anger that baffles me, out of all proportion to the subject at hand. That's why I could never post my suit pics in WAYWRN. I'd like to imagine these posters are playing nasty; that in real life they're placid and polite. After all, it's only clothing

Lear

I think that it has more to do with the poster's insecurity and immaturity. Many of these angry boys are unsure of their own judgement and probably ashamed of their blue ollar bakgrounds which is why they beome all hot and bothered over something as trivial as clothes. They have pretentions above their station in life and mistake superficial appearance for the real thing. Let's face it, even the best clothes are relatively cheap(and practially nothing when used ) while it would be impossible to fake your house, furniture, artwork, yacht and cars etc This is why they are so emotionally attached to their silly opinions on clothes and get as hysterical as a female whenever someone says something that disturbs their cherished little delusions about themselves.

Now, watch the reaction to what I wrote beause you'll find it quite illuminating and you'll learn more about these poseurs from their response than from my short paragraph but don't expect anything rational beause it will be all about their "feelings" and inflated Egos.
Watch the ad hominem attacks they'll begin with. Personally I just ignore people I think are fools and don't even care what anyone else thinks or says but just watch how upset these little boys get.
post #27 of 34
^^things are getting boring on the island?

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muuuch better.

-yes.
post #28 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mr.Pooter View Post
I think that it has more to do with the poster's insecurity and immaturity. Many of these angry boys are unsure of their own judgement and probably ashamed of their blue ollar bakgrounds which is why they beome all hot and bothered over something as trivial as clothes. They have pretentions above their station in life and mistake superficial appearance for the real thing. Let's face it, even the best clothes are relatively cheap(and practially nothing when used ) while it would be impossible to fake your house, furniture, artwork, yacht and cars etc This is why they are so emotionally attached to their silly opinions on clothes and get as hysterical as a female whenever someone says something that disturbs their cherished little delusions about themselves.

Now, watch the reaction to what I wrote beause you'll find it quite illuminating and you'll learn more about these poseurs from their response than from my short paragraph but don't expect anything rational beause it will be all about their "feelings" and inflated Egos.
Watch the ad hominem attacks they'll begin with. Personally I just ignore people I think are fools and don't even care what anyone else thinks or says but just watch how upset these little boys get.

So inclusion in Debrett's is a minimum criteria for expressing an opinion on clothes on an internet forum? A bit of perspective is needed in all things and clothes are just clothes and nothing to get angry about. On the other hand, the balls you spout is something to get angry about. Tit.
post #29 of 34
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I'm very objective and blunt.

Stirs sensitive people up.

In real life or on the internet only ....
post #30 of 34
Finally, a topic to comment on.

Yes, part of the problem is already having opinions about someone as a person. Other elements rightly noted were lack of exposure to a variety of styles and distorted perspective.

So other than critiquing on technical details, even well-dressed people aren't necessarily good at giving objective style criticism. First-impression, man-on-the-street+style expert is the most objective way. "You seem to be this kind of person (which has no impact on me personally, so I take no personal offense)" and "Details x, y, and z need adjusting." And (as a reply alluded to) even if the critique is meant as objective, it has to be worded carefully (perhaps made impersonal), to actually be helpful.

Some tips that can translate to style critiques, if anyone wants to make Style Forum a more useful place
http://www.fmwriters.com/Visionback/...05/butidon.htm
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