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post #16 of 25
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Of course these are good points. But Republics and Democrats share the blame for this fiasco. Signing a massively expensive healthcare bill into law won't help, but neither did the Republican's profligate defence spending during the Bush years or GWB's Medicare Part D.

Both sides of the aisle need to quit treating the country's finances like they're playing with Monopoly money.

While I agree with the gist of your opinion, comparing Part D to Obamacare is off by orders of magnitude.
post #17 of 25
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While I agree with the gist of your opinion, comparing Part D to Obamacare is off by orders of magnitude.

I certainly wasn't trying to compare them. I think Obama's healthcare plan is certainly more ambitious than Part D was ever meant to be and will end up costing way more as a consequence. The point was only that successive administrations have been buying now for programs they hope to pay later.
post #18 of 25
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I certainly wasn't trying to compare them. I think Obama's healthcare plan is certainly more ambitious than Part D was ever meant to be and will end up costing way more as a consequence. The point was only that successive administrations have been buying now for programs they hope to pay later.

I agree with that. The spending remains out of control but we need to get a handle on it, regardless of both both parties roles.
post #19 of 25
Cut da budget, but I wont mah medycare. Dont tetch it!
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Cut da budget, but I wont mah medycare. Dont tetch it!

Ah, yes... Unfortunately the "debate" is mostly dominated by a, on one side, the left who just want to spend our way out of the recession because "joblessness is horrible" and, on the other side, the right who want to cut everywhere except for the massive and ludicrously expensive social benefits that they enjoy such as their pensions and medicare. And no tax increases, of course!

What this debate has needed for a long time is someone who can clearly and unequivocally tell the former that profligate spending has to stop somewhere and to the latter that their position makes absolutely no sense.
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Ah, yes... Unfortunately the "debate" is mostly dominated by a, on one side, the left who just want to spend our way out of the recession because "joblessness is horrible" and, on the other side, the right who want to cut everywhere except for the massive and ludicrously expensive social benefits that they enjoy such as their pensions and medicare. And no tax increases, of course!

What this debate has needed for a long time is someone who can clearly and unequivocally tell the former that profligate spending has to stop somewhere and to the latter that their position makes absolutely no sense.

I wonder whether we are seeing the outer limits of democracy.

The politicians are mere agents of popular opinion.

This may be our downward spiral, where we take another swig on the bottle to ease the pain.

We will be remembered by future generations as the hogs who gorged ourselves on everything in sight, leaving nothing but the bill and our stench.
post #22 of 25
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I wonder whether we are seeing the outer limits of democracy.

The politicians are mere agents of popular opinion.

This may be our downward spiral, where we take another swig on the bottle to ease the pain.

We will be remembered by future generations as the hogs who gorged ourselves on everything in sight, leaving nothing but the bill and our stench.

That's already how the Boomers are remembered.
post #23 of 25
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While I agree with the gist of your opinion, comparing Part D to Obamacare is off by orders of magnitude.

One is a misguided and terrible attempt to broaden access to healthcare (an admirable goal, at least), one is a disingenuous pandering program devoted to a large voting group who decidedly did not need it. Philosophically, Part D is worse legislation than Obamacare.
post #24 of 25
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The politicians are mere agents of popular opinion.

I don't think this is true any longer. ^
post #25 of 25
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One is a misguided and terrible attempt to broaden access to healthcare (an admirable goal, at least), one is a disingenuous pandering program devoted to a large voting group who decidedly did not need it. Philosophically, Part D is worse legislation than Obamacare.

While I agree, one will likely be far most costly than the other.

I fully supported attempts at healthcare reform. But healthcare is NOT something you reform half-assedly. You do it right, or you don't do it at all.
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