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Church's Last 73's from Herrings

post #1 of 19
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Hi, This is my first post so I hope I am OK.

I was looking to buy a pair of shoes from Herrings specifically a pair from the Last 73 range. I have read on this forum that they may be of lessor quality to their Custom Grade shoes, but I have also heard that Herring says that they are about the same.

My question is should I buy from Herrings these shoes from their Last 73 range or should I go look else ware. Finally are the price Herring are asking for the Last 73's worth it they are about 100 pound less then their Custom Grade's. Should I buy them for a really good pair of shoes or should I look at some other shoemaker like C&J.

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 19
It depends on what you are looking for. C&J will cost you more. Yes they are worth the price - definitely. However as you've read elsewhere, at least in my opinion, the leather on this range isn't as good as Church's Custom Grade. Best way to decide is to order a pair - Herrings are very good on customer service and will take them back if you're unhappy with them - as long as you've only tried them on and on carpet!
post #3 of 19
Get Church's custom grade or C&J's on sale, for the price of Last 73 (if not better)

Depending on your location, also consider Church's factory shop in Northampton and outlet store at Bicester (Oxfordshire).
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks Guys,
I might get a pair to see how they feel. Do you think they are worth the price Herring are asking for: 255 Pounds? If not I'll probably go for the C&J's. I heard they are pretty good so I be sure I'll be getting quality instead of wondering about the quality like the Church's, which I think is a bit of a pain since people are paying quite a lot for them and to be wondering about the quality for top range shoes shouldn't happen. I'll keep you posted to see what I get.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by strictly-4-my-pimps View Post
Thanks Guys,
I might get a pair to see how they feel. Do you think they are worth the price Herring are asking for: 255 Pounds? If not I'll probably go for the C&J's. I heard they are pretty good so I be sure I'll be getting quality instead of wondering about the quality like the Church's, which I think is a bit of a pain since people are paying quite a lot for them and to be wondering about the quality for top range shoes shouldn't happen. I'll keep you posted to see what I get.

As I've said above - IMO they are worth the £255 Herrings ask for them.
post #6 of 19
The Piccadilly (very nice imo) and Salisbury are Custom Grade. Look at the pics of the soles.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by miurasv View Post
The Piccadilly (very nice imo) and Salisbury are Custom Grade. Look at the pics of the soles.

The latest ones no longer say "Custom Grade" - I am assuming Church's now want to distinguish the 73 last range from their higher priced ranges.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Leather man View Post
The latest ones no longer say "Custom Grade" - I am assuming Church's now want to distinguish the 73 last range from their higher priced ranges.
I'm sure you're correct but I can't find the Piccadilly's on Church's web site. The Piccadilly's that Herrings have on their web site also say 'Custom Grade' inside the shoe as well as on the bottom of the sole.
post #9 of 19
Leather man, what's the difference between Church's 'Custom Grade' and the Standard Church's and also how do the 'Hand Grade' ones (if there is indeed a 'Hand Grade') differ? Thanks very much in advance for your reply.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by miurasv View Post
Leather man, what's the difference between Church's 'Custom Grade' and the Standard Church's and also how do the 'Hand Grade' ones (if there is indeed a 'Hand Grade') differ? Thanks very much in advance for your reply.

Firstly, Church's do not offer a "handgrade" line. Until about three years ago they made a collection called the "Royals Collection" which were made with very best calf and oak bark tanned soles.

Secondly, at one time Church's shoes offered a few lines of varying quality with "Custom Grade" being the best and to be honest their main line. In more recent years everything they made was labelled "Custom Grade" - and you have rightly noticed this with some slightly out of date pictures of "Piccadilly etc"

Thirdly, the latest runs of 73 last shoes no longer have "Custom Grade" stamped on the soles or the heel socks - and I can only assume this is to differentiate a lower price point shoe from their main lines. One can also see the lack of "Custom Grade" stamp on the "City range" from Church's

None of this is actually new - see my second point - for example there was a range called "Church's 2000" - nothing to do with the new millenium and this was a cheaper priced range. So Church's have for a long time been a shoe company that manufactures lines of varying quality. However today as ever their greatest output is the "Custom Grade" line that we know Church's for.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Leather man View Post
Firstly, Church's do not offer a "handgrade" line. Until about three years ago they made a collection called the "Royals Collection" which were made with very best calf and oak bark tanned soles.

Secondly, at one time Church's shoes offered a few lines of varying quality with "Custom Grade" being the best and to be honest their main line. In more recent years everything they made was labelled "Custom Grade" - and you have rightly noticed this with some slightly out of date pictures of "Piccadilly etc"

Thirdly, the latest runs of 73 last shoes no longer have "Custom Grade" stamped on the soles or the heel socks - and I can only assume this is to differentiate a lower price point shoe from their main lines. One can also see the lack of "Custom Grade" stamp on the "City range" from Church's

None of this is actually new - see my second point - for example there was a range called "Church's 2000" - nothing to do with the new millenium and this was a cheaper priced range. So Church's have for a long time been a shoe company that manufactures lines of varying quality. However today as ever their greatest output is the "Custom Grade" line that we know Church's for.

Thanks very much again for your reply, L m. Much appreciated. If the Last 73 is a lower line than Custom Grade, Herrings 'Special Offer' price of £255 doesn't seem much of a 'deal' imo and would give even less percieved value at their 'full' price whatever that may be. Now that Piccadilly is not a Custom Grade Shoe, have they made any downward changes to it like for example using a linen lining instead of leather? I notice Herrings describe the Sydney Monk shoe, which is not stamped with 'Custom Grade', as being the same as the Custom Grade Westbury.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by miurasv View Post
Thanks very much again for your reply, L m. Much appreciated. If the Last 73 is a lower line than Custom Grade, Herrings 'Special Offer' price of £255 doesn't seem much of a 'deal' imo and would give even less percieved value at their 'full' price whatever that may be. Now that Piccadilly is not a Custom Grade Shoe, have they made any downward changes to it like for example using a linen lining instead of leather? I notice Herrings describe the Sydney Monk shoe, which is not stamped with 'Custom Grade', as being the same as the Custom Grade Westbury.

Well, no, I do not think there has been any downward movement in quality - I bought a pair of Brisbanes and Sydneys in Chestnut a few months ago( just a case of re-labelling). A couple of years ago I bought three pairs from this range but found I needed half a size up.

My take on the 73 last range is this:

You are getting a Church's shoes - ie Church's quality construction, Church quality sole, on a Church's last. Its just the leather quality is a grade down IMO ( and others opinion who've commented elsewhere) from Church's "full price" range. I don't know why Herrings advertise the shoes as being marked down from a much higher price - I don't want to comment on this because Herrings are actually a very very good company.

The 73 last is a shorter last than the 100 or 173 lasts and it has a lower instep. A former manager at Church's told me they discontinued it because it no longer fitted most men's feet - I concur. I need to order half a size up from my normal Church's size for this last to fit. Its the same with Cheaney's 2003 last which I believe has a similar pedigree.
post #13 of 19
Thanks again, L m. Those Piccadillys and suede Sydneys are very nice. I like the fact that many Church's shoes also come in a G Wide fit. However my size 11Gs still hurt my little toes and give me corns. Shame they don't do an H fit in many of the designs. I'll have to try a 11.5G or 12G which may give me more width?
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by miurasv View Post
Thanks again, L m. Those Piccadillys and suede Sydneys are very nice. I like the fact that many Church's shoes also come in a G Wide fit. However my size 11Gs still hurt my little toes and give me corns. Shame they don't do an H fit in many of the designs. I'll have to try a 11.5G or 12G which may give me more width?

I'd try 11.5 G - 12 G may well be too big. If your 11Gs you refer to are on the 100 or 173 last then you may be better going up to a 12G for the 73 last range. The 93 last the Salisbury's are built on is also short and tight- some prefer that in a loafer mind you.
post #15 of 19
I suppose all good things must come to an end but Herrings are discontinuing the 73 & 93 last church range. I believe the last has followed the church family to cheaney shoes which they now run and goes under the cheaney last # 2003. Herrings are now getting own branded cheaney shoes made up on the 2003 last and are selling off the last of the old 73s at a good discount, from email shot from herrings;
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Church Last 73 now just £195.25

All of the last 73 will be added to the winter sale in December and we are sure they will sell out fast, so we suggest that you shop early with this pre-sale offer, as the middle sizes are already low in stock.

Use the code HSLAST73 to get a special discount of 45% off* last 73 shoes, making them an unbelievable price of just £195.25.

Offer ends 30th November 2012.
*(Original RRP £355)

Just checked and very little left in my size but some styles left in various sizes and widths, you can search here:
http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/product-list.php?brandid=4#d38
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