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post #76 of 111
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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post
But Obama is a self-style people's person, and his whole gig is that he's a black guy who has broken through that elitist system and is now going to offer top-down change to make the USA more of a meritocracy. Conservative politicians don't claim they want to change systems of elitism & nepotism: they make it clear that hard work = money, and that's going to create a hierarchy.

If I've just made up this whole problem, why is Michelle making so much noise recently about how she shops at J. Crew for herself & for her kids? She turns up to I think a Leno interview in a $100 dress from J. Crew when she has a wardrobe worth $0.25m+?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a liberal Conservative (UK), and I like my statesmen dressed well & expensively; but TF is a brand about sex and luxury and excess, so if you're claiming to be all about "hope & change" (as Obama is), how can you let your wife shop excessively at brands which cater to people who are doing everything they can to counter change? Either he cuts the empty rhetoric and says what he actually intends, or his wife stops spending hundreds of thousands on clothes, otherwise he looks & his wife look like liars.

It is not disingenuous to wear cheaper clothes most of the time and expensive clothes when the Queen of England is around. Nobody knows how much her wardrobe is worth or what was given to her versus purchased. certainly not you.

Regardless, if I made $400k a year and had a dinner with the Queen you could bet your ass Mrs. acrid would be wearing something expensive.
post #77 of 111
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Originally Posted by mm84321 View Post
I think the First Lady should have done like her sister Beyoncé and chosen this dress for the occasion instead.



Same hairstyle too; would have made more headlines.

Thats pretty racist.
post #78 of 111
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Originally Posted by saint View Post
Actually it's kind surprising
How few babes have ended up as flotus.

Considering they're usually 50+ by the time they become First Lady, it shouldn't really be surprising.
post #79 of 111
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post
Considering they're usually 50+ by the time they become First Lady, it shouldn't really be surprising.

Even for their age they don't look attractive and a good number
weren't attractive even as young women: think Eleanor Roosevelt
Or Mary Todd Lincoln.
post #80 of 111
+1 it is both absurd and comical to say she is "beautiful".
post #81 of 111
Is this really a particularly relevant argument to be had? There seems to be an undercurrent of racism combined with a range of attempts to frame completely irrelevant points of dress in the context of politics, which really makes very little sense.

To echo several other posters previously, I think it's absurd that the president has to even pander to the 'populist' notions in his choice of car, clothing and so forth. Having a superbly competent and intelligent president would suggest that his background would be somewhat 'elite' regardless of initial origin. A homeless person would certainly command a certain popular vote, but I can't imagine that such an individual would do a very effective job as POTUS. I would suspect that people who make excessive noise about this sort of thing have problems of a very different sort with Obama.
post #82 of 111
It's hilarious that you think racism has anything to do with. What century are you living in? Everyone living in a metropolis these days has black friends, asian friends, white friends etc.; I register skin colour just like hair colour & eye colour. I suppose the disagreement here stems from the fact that the UK has 2 liberal socialist parties and 1 very liberal conservative party, whereas the USA just has two right-wing parties. I thought Obama was trying to change that, but from the responses in this thread it seems I've misunderstood his campaign and his rhetoric.
post #83 of 111
^ Yes, racism has nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing at all. So you're not just self-absorbed, but naive to boot. Great.
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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post
Um, your previous post makes it really very clear that you don't.
Anyway, given how 3 posts ago you promised not to post again in this thread, I think you should understand perfectly the so-called hypocritical situation Mrs Obama finds herself in. Your word is worth nothing!!!!1111eleventy!!!11!
post #84 of 111
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
^ Yes, racism has nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing at all.


How does that make any sense? You don't bother to present any actual points, you just patronise me with stupid jokes. Fucking bigot.
post #85 of 111
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Anyway, given how 3 posts ago you promised not to post again in this thread, I think you should understand perfectly the so-called hypocritical situation Mrs Obama finds herself in. Your word is worth nothing!!!!1111eleventy!!!11!
You seem to have reading difficulties. Are you dyslexic? I didn't promise not to post again, I just said remaking my points was pointless for bigots like you. None of your sentences are actual direct replies to anything: it's as if you have some critical parts of your brain missing. Also, you might want to look up 'hypocrisy' in a dictionary. I hope you weren't university/college educated, because if you were, it really was wasted on you.
post #86 of 111
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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post
How does that make any sense? You don't bother to present any actual points, you just patronise me with stupid jokes. Fucking bigot.
Yes, making jokes and pointing out bigotry exists = bigotry. For someone who's country invented the language you sure stretch definitions a bit. If and when you grow a brain and stop making overheated comments about things you really know nothing about, re-examine the political climate in the USA, and note how the attempts are made to undermine the Obamas not by addressing their polices directly, but instead by magnifying their supposed differences from 'mainstream' America, by questioning their loyalty to the USA, their religion, their race, and the races which they supposedly (or not) look out for. It's not a major player in the debate, but there are undercurrents of racism, and you would be foolishly naive to deny they exist. Even if you 'live in a metropolis', which has to be one of the most breathtakingly stupid comments I've heard use to support the absence of racism anywhere for some time. Could a person of Afro-Carribean descent be elected PM of the UK tomorrow?
post #87 of 111
Yes, a person of Afro-Caribbean descent could easily become PM at the next election. You're a bigot for refusing to even consider my opinions and discuss them, and instead replying with jokes and nasty comments. The posters that brought up racism were directing their accusations at me: I denied that it had any relevance to my argument, because I was brought up with black & asian children, just like anyone else that lives in any UK/US metropolis. I wasn't denying that racism exists. I'm not sure why you've got metropolis is speech marks. I know more about US politics than 99% of Americans, so I'm as qualified as anyone else on these forums to discuss them. I wasn't undermining the Obamas, I was identifying a level of incongruity between Barack's rhetoric and Michelle's lifestyle. You're making yourself very stupid indeed by circumventing my original point (a clear sign of stupidity or bigotry), and coming at me with childish jokes and then absurd accusations of racism. May I suggest that you don't continue to reply? Logic and intelligence are on my side.
post #88 of 111
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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post
I've made my points ... without any ambiguity. There's no point reiterating ... Bye bye.

plz
post #89 of 111
Haha, not you again! Sorry, I'm just not used to dealing with people who are so fucking stupid that they completely ignore what you say and just reply with hateful & meaningless comments. Maybe you guys are just trolling me and get a hard-on from it. Probably. (These are my final words in this thread, you will be relieved to hear.)
post #90 of 111
^You are just completely misreading the situation based on your strange ideas about the meaning of the Tom Ford brand and some non-existent subtext being communicated to the American people. Google "Michelle Obama Tom Ford" and you will find an entire page of American news and blog links praising her for the choice of her dress, how nice she looked, and how well she represented America abroad. If anything, the people who actually know who Tom Ford is like her choice of designer.
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Originally Posted by Loathing View Post
TF is a brand about displaying your wealth with confidence & flair. That's not appropriate for her position.
Okay, fine. America is having a shitty time right now and people like seeing their first lady, who also wear J. Crew and works in the garden, look glamorous once in a while. Not like that showy bitch Elanor Roosevelt who constantly had to shove her ridiculous wealth down the throats of all those poor people while the world was consumed by war and destruction.
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