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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post
The vast majority of people claiming to be suffering from this disorder are malingering jerks. It's virtually impossible to be allergic to wheat, it's the basic foodstuff of human civilization. If your body rejects bread and beer then you really don't have any reason to live anyway.

Yes. Funny how I never heard of this until about a decade ago and now every anorexic and hypochondriac in the world suffers from it and needs special, expensive food.
post #32 of 46
Honestly man, I'm sure you're making a good argument, and I'm sure all your math is spot on, because I know you're a smart guy, but your posts are making me fucking dizzy. It's just too early in the morning for me with all of these numbers. Simply stated, I think people with digestive issues possessing known symptoms of celiac disease should be tested for celiac disease. If your argument against that all boils down to the economics of it, than that is a whole other discussion, one containing numbers, that I am currently not prepared to engage in.
post #33 of 46
According to one website, 1 in 250 people in Italy have Celiacs and 1 in 300 people in Ireland have Celiacs. Seems kind of hard to believe.
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post
Yes. Funny how I never heard of this until about a decade ago and now every anorexic and hypochondriac in the world suffers from it and needs special, expensive food.
The only reason I won't argue the naive nature of this posts is because of the two large mammary glands in your avatar that please my oculi.
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by mm84321 View Post


*Out of 13,145 subjects, 1 in 133 people were indicated to suffer from the condition:
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...ract/163/3/286

Do you know how to divide 1 by 133?
post #36 of 46
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Originally Posted by pebblegrain View Post
Do you know how to divide 1 by 133?

Do you know how to make origami?
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by mm84321 View Post
Do you know how to make origami?

yes, but I can't anymore, the gluten gives me teh rash
post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by mm84321 View Post
Honestly man, I'm sure you're making a good argument, and I'm sure all your math is spot on, because I know you're a smart guy, but your posts are making me fucking dizzy. It's just too early in the morning for me with all of these numbers.

Simply stated, I think people with digestive issues possessing known symptoms of celiac disease should be tested for celiac disease. If your argument against that all boils down to the economics of it, than that is a whole other discussion, one containing numbers, that I am currently not prepared to engage in.

one of my arguments was that its not economically feasible

another argument was pointing out that your call for routine testing is based on nothing.


you're trying to argue that CD is more prevalent than we think.

you said the 1 in 133 figure was inaccurate because people are routinely tested, which doesnt mean anything. the 1 in 133 figure comes from a study that tested 13000+ people.

more routine testing does not change that figure which means CD is not more prevalent than we think.
post #39 of 46
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Originally Posted by mm84321 View Post
Do you know how to make origami?

I've always wanted to learn that.
post #40 of 46
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post
I've always wanted to learn that.
We had a "Japan Day" at my school in third-grade and I was taught how to do it by a friend's mom. It's an extremely rewarding and enriching experience.
post #41 of 46
u guys are very lucky, less than 1% of schools around the world have Japan Day, it's even more rare in Japan.
post #42 of 46
I think you are a confounding variable, and are potentially biased in this discussion, as your user name seems to imply that you have an intimate relationship with both rocks and edible grasses.
post #43 of 46
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post
Yes. Funny how I never heard of this until about a decade ago and now every anorexic and hypochondriac in the world suffers from it and needs special, expensive food.

I also have my suspicions about this.
post #44 of 46
Yeah, I avoid wheat and grains in general. Feel much better for it. In particular used to have a severe bowel problem. Have been tested several times for celiac, all came back negative, yet became noticeably healthier when I stopped eating wheat. Recall one GI specialist I saw was not surprised by that. He suspected that all his patients would live better without wheat. Outside of bowel issues, I've been surprised to read this cardiologist's blog about the success he has had with patients that avoid wheat. Since I had a GI problem I knew well about the problems wheat can cause intestinal health, but other conditions also seeing significant improvements was not something I expected to read about. One his articles: "Unexpected effects of a wheat-free diet" http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog/...free-diet.html
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Wheat elimination continues to yield explosive and unexpected health benefits. I initially asked patients in the office to eliminate wheat because I wanted to help them reduce blood sugar and pre-diabetic tendencies. A patient would come to the office, for example, with a blood sugar of 118 mg/dl (in the pre-diabetic range) and the other phenomena of pre-diabetes or metabolic syndrome (high blood pressure, high inflammation/c-reactive protein, low HDL, high triglycerides, small LDL), and the characteristic wheat belly. Eliminate wheat and, within three months, they lose 30 lbs, blood sugar drops to normal, blood pressure drops, triglycerides drop by several hundred milligrams, HDL goes up, small LDL plummets, c-reactive protein drops. People also felt better, with flat tummies and more energy. But they also developed benefits I did not anticipate: –Improved rheumatoid arthritis–I have seen this time and time again. Eliminate wheat and the painful thumbs, fingers, and other joints clear up dramatically. Many former rheumatoid sufferers people tell me that one cracker or pretzel will trigger a painful throbbing reminder that lasts a couple of hours. –Improved ulcerative colitis–People incapacitated with pain, cramping, and diarrhea of ulcerative colitis (who are negative for the antibodies for celiac disease) can experience marked improvement. I’ve seen people be able to stop all their nasty colitis medications just by eliminating wheat. –Reduction or elimination of irritable bowel syndrome –Reduction or elimination of gastroesophageal reflux –Better mood–Eliminating wheat makes you happier and experience more stable moods. Just as wheat is responsible for a subset of schizophrenia and bipolar illness (this is fact), and wheat elimination generates dramatic improvement, when you or I eliminate wheat, we also experience a “smoothing” of mood swings. –Better libido–I’m not sure whether this is a consequence of losing a belly the size of a watermelon or improvement in sex hormones (esp. testosterone) or endothelial responses, but more interest in sex typically develops. –Better complexion–I’m not entirely sure why, but various rashes will often dissipate, bags under the eyes are reduced, itching in funny places stops. It’s also peculiar how, after someone eliminates wheat for several months, re-exposure of an errant cracker or sandwich results in cramping and diarrhea in about 30% of people. Obviously, people with celiac disease, who can even die of exposure to wheat, are even worse. What other common food do you know of that makes us sick so often, even occasionally with fatal outcome?
post #45 of 46
Wheat Belleh!!!
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