Originally Posted by whacked
^I guess we'd just agree to disagree then. I've never thought I'd run into a hardcore Becks fan anywhere...
Beckham's great at crossing the ball, I'll give you that, but only good to very good at executing free kick and long shot. Any good to great players these days can wreak havoc from free kicks, i.e. Zidane, Henry, Pirlo, Ronaldinho, Adriano etc. He wasn't MU most dangerous threat from long distance either, his shots are one-dimensional and relatively lacking in power. Keane and Scholes are better IMO. Besides, you can't single handedly change the game that easily; futbol is a team game for god's sake.
And if Beck is so great, why didn't the England national team, where he never played out of position, perform better?
I disagree. I wouldn't put Keane or Scholes better than Beckham. Both were equally valuable to the England team from 1998-2006.
I'll preface this by saying I'm not a Beckham fan. But, I can appreciate his talent. But there are several great players in various sporting spectrums that have not won the big one (Barry Sanders, Ernie Banks, Elgin Baylor, Dan Marino, Charles Barkley, Ted Williams, etc.). Does their team's performance take away from their hall of fame individual feats? No.
Beckham led a strong Manchester United to the treble...one of the toughest feats in Euro club soccer. Can't blame him for the lWorld Cup losses in 2006 and 2002. England lost in penalty kicks against to Brazil in 2002 and to Portugal in 2006. Soccer is a team sport. One man can not carry a team in soccer. Perfect example was Italy in 2006. No one man dominated for Italy. The Azzuri played near flawless team defense and made the shots when they counted. The previous winners - Brazil and France - had solid teams from top to bottom.
Beckham will go down as one the greatest dead ball kickers of all time. People forget. It's not the power of the shot that made him remarkable. It was the pin point placement of his shot (which far outweighed the velocity of the ball). There have been better overall players than Beckham without a doubt. But, he had the charm, looks, and world class skill to be where he is at.
No one should confuse him for being among the greatest. I wouldn't even put him amongst the top 50 of all time. But, people should give him credit for what he was - a world class soccer player, a great ambassador to the game, and a marketing phenomena.