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post #106 of 125
He is just a good football player with a fame obsessed wife,nothing more....
She is the one really ambitious and suffering from a severe lack of talent,
he looks like a decent,normalish guy ,reserved and shy and he looks very good...
They're going to the states to kickstart her failing career...
LA and friends such as K.Holmes ,Tom Cruise and others could be the start of her entertainment career...
On a pure sporting value,He is far from being as influential or talented as Pele,Maradona,Zidane and many others...
He is a marketing and PR product surfing on the wave of a fame crazed British society ...
On the sport map ,the guy is a minor player,outside the UK and Asia, compared to the Alonso,Schumacher,Nadal ,Federer,Woods.Parker,Dan Carter who are all geniuses but he is in the tabloid everyday and he has captured the imagination of the English public and its hunger for victory and fame.
The Beckham brand is based on the dream of the perfect life ,the perfect family and the WAG/CHAMPAGNE lifestyle ,available for those who did not attend posh and elitist English public schools such as Eton...
The Posh is a very clever brand aimed at not only the normal football supporter but only the ladies ,children and even the very lucrative Gay market...
post #107 of 125
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Okay, it's one game. I can recall one such instance for any renowned player off the top of my head. Easily.

Roy Keane, Ireland v Holland- dragged them through 2 legged qualifier to get to World Cup. Compare line-ups, and see the difference 1 man can make.

Stephen Gerrard- FA Cup final v West Ham, last year.

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This is so ridiculous it's not even worth argueing. If you actually followed the NBA, you'd know that Dennis Rodman is never the best Bull on the court, ever.

I don't follow basketball, but the only other Bulls I ever read and saw get any limelight were those guys. Kukoc, Longley and ..... are about the only others I can think of. Replace Rodman with someone more deserving of the limelight, if you wish, but I did say it was against particular teams, and if the coach kept picking him, most people would defer to their tactics than Joe Public's.
post #108 of 125
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This any better?


This one means business and looks a lot better. Businessman like it maybe but nothing wrong. And a 3-pc suit is a big plus.

White linen pocket square works for me. I am sick of the tie matches pocket square or cufflinks thing.
post #109 of 125
Much has been made of Beckhams looks in achieving his fame, but lets be honest, this is nothing new.

Would Ali have been so famous if he was monosylabic? Would Tiger Woods get so much attention if he was white?

Factors not relating so sporting ability are frequently major aspects of certain individuals fame.
post #110 of 125
To achieve that kind of fame ,you do need certain cultural factors as cleverly said in the post before....
Tiger Woods is representing a multicultural American dream where talent and reconition are going beyond the notion of race or colour.....
The same concept did apply to Zinedine Zidane ,the integrated and secular son of an Algerian immigrant winning the world cup for France,Cathy Freeman for the Australian Aboriginal minority,Lohmu for the Samoan community,Linford Christie for the Afro-Carrabeian community in Britain and so on..
David Beckham is the symbol of success ,fame and power for a largely white working class section of the English population...
He is not educated,clever with words but he has fame,money and the appearance of the perfect family man (until the Loos affair).....
He was living in Beckhimgam palace with a former Spice girl ...
He was a magnet for not only football fans young and old but also girlfriends and wife all around England...
post #111 of 125
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On the sport map ,the guy is a minor player,outside the UK and Asia, compared to the Alonso,Schumacher,Nadal ,Federer,Woods.Parker,Dan Carter who are all geniuses but he is in the tabloid everyday and he has captured the imagination of the English public and its hunger for victory and fame.

thank god you left ronaldinho out of the line-up. Me thinks he's a db ( not double breasted , but douchebag[and a nancy boy]).
post #112 of 125
Are you a Real Madrid supporter by any chance?
Ronaldinho is not as good as he thinks and that's the problem....
He is great at doing tricks but he has lost his way this year....
Hamilton is most likely the best sportsman in Britain at the moment but he is not David Beckham.....
post #113 of 125
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^I guess we'd just agree to disagree then. I've never thought I'd run into a hardcore Becks fan anywhere...

Beckham's great at crossing the ball, I'll give you that, but only good to very good at executing free kick and long shot. Any good to great players these days can wreak havoc from free kicks, i.e. Zidane, Henry, Pirlo, Ronaldinho, Adriano etc. He wasn't MU most dangerous threat from long distance either, his shots are one-dimensional and relatively lacking in power. Keane and Scholes are better IMO. Besides, you can't single handedly change the game that easily; futbol is a team game for god's sake.

And if Beck is so great, why didn't the England national team, where he never played out of position, perform better?

Not a Becks fan. Far from it, but you have to give credit where credit is due.

Percentage-wise many games are won thanks to set pieces. Beckham wasn't a 20 goal a year player but he had many assists and scored crucial goals throughout his career. So yes in this instance one single player can change the outcome of a game.

From the players you mentioned as being good at free kicks none are better than Beckham. The only one that gets close to Beckham is Juninho Pernambucano as far as consistency. Pirlo has had a couple of seasons where he has been the best free kick taker but Beckham has been the best for many more years. Even before they changed the balls that are being used right now.
post #114 of 125
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Originally Posted by lasbar View Post
Are you a Real Madrid supporter by any chance?
Ronaldinho is not as good as he thinks and that's the problem....
He is great at doing tricks but he has lost his way this year....
Hamilton is most likely the best sportsman in Britain at the moment but he is not David Beckham.....

Jajajaja no. He'd be better served in a circus though. Scouse scum will probably say their beloved Stevie G is Britains best sportsman.
post #115 of 125
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Originally Posted by mr. magoo View Post
So tell me, what American athlete would you compare him to if not Jeter? I thought that captured him fairly well, if incompletely.

I'm not knocking Beckham.

Thought he was always good and a target for too much abuse in England. But he was hardly a dominant player. And let's face it, if he'd been brought up in the Aston Villa or Southampton set-up he never would've been considered as great, and if he was hideous he would never have been the celebrity he is.

He would have been good regardless of the set up he was brought through. Are you forgetting that about 70% of England's senior players were at West ham at one time or the other and not a big club like Liverpool, United or arsenal? Besides this is arbitrary because the fact is that Becks was brought through the Manchester United and not the Villa or Southampton set up. The fact that he was brought through the United set up doesn't guarantee success because there are plenty of players that were brought up through the same system and are tripe. The neville brothers and Nicky Butt aren't exactly Maradonas now are they?

Players who can turn around a game,

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Roy Keane, Ireland v Holland- dragged them through 2 legged qualifier to get to World Cup. Compare line-ups, and see the difference 1 man can make.

Stephen Gerrard- FA Cup final v West Ham, last year.

You can also add Gerrard against Milan in the Champions league final two years ago. Zinedine Zidane running circles around Brazil in Germany 2006. Yes there are 11 players but there's always one that has the most influence.

Did anyone watch Madrid v Mallorca for the Championship this week-end?

Posh was hanging with a very wierd looking Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise. They looked like they were part of a cult. Weird stuff. I think Beckham would be in better shape career-wise if he'd drop that crazy ass wife.
post #116 of 125
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He is just a good football player with a fame obsessed wife,nothing more....

That's what Manu Legend Georg Best said about Beckham:

He cannot kick with his left foot, he cannot head a ball, he cannot tackle and he doesn't score many goals. Apart from that he's all right.
post #117 of 125
Do not get me wrong ,his crossings,free-kicks are world class but he is not Zidane ,Maradona ,Pele,Platini,Pusckas,Di Stephano and so many others....
post #118 of 125
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Do not get me wrong ,his crossings,free-kicks are world class but he is not Zidane ,Maradona ,Pele,Platini,Pusckas,Di Stephano and so many others....

Agreed, he's not the best player to play, but hes popular because he's a poster boy. And he is rediculously idolized in Asia!
post #119 of 125
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Do not get me wrong ,his crossings,free-kicks are world class but he is not Zidane ,Maradona ,Pele,Platini,Pusckas,Di Stephano and so many others....

I agree with you. CL Final 1999, Manu - Bayern, Becks did it.

For the free kicks, I miss Roberto Carlos in the discussion.
post #120 of 125
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Did anyone watch Madrid v Mallorca for the Championship this week-end?

Posh was hanging with a very wierd looking Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise. They looked like they were part of a cult. Weird stuff. I think Beckham would be in better shape career-wise if he'd drop that crazy ass wife.

They are part of a cult! TC (and now KH) are Scientologists.....
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