A Sam (and David) Hober Tie Appreciation Thread - Page 53

I would think it hard to clean a grenadine yourself because of the weave. Also, whatever you get on it is sure to stain the interfacing, which depending on construction could also be seen through the weave. I am not that nitpicky with cleaning my clothes, I don't do it often honestly, (suits and ties) so I don't feel it worth it to go out of my way too much. There is a dry cleaner up the street from where I live where I can talk directly to the person doing the work, which is good. I just threw the tie over his head strangled him and and said, "You clean this, you hear!??! When you are done cleaning it, Don't press it! If I see any signs of pressing I'll hang you with this muthafucka, got it!?!?!"

No, but it all seriousness, I just pointed out the dribble and I told him not to press it flat. Came back looking like it did when I got it from David.

^ Wow, that is some dry cleaner! I have had such terrible dry cleaning experiences in New York. I only trust Tie Crafters with my ties, but maybe I should have more faith.

 

How do you have your grenadines from Hober constructed?

Yes, I actually picked up a suit from them last night. I remembered telling the guy please don't press the lapels and be careful. It came back with perfectly rolled lapels and everything. It is a hidden gem. A little hole in the wall place that shuttered and has a new owner. Things are looking good. I knew they were worth trying after I brought some of my girlfriend's badly soiled clothes and they took a really long time to finish them. They explained their soaking process and all. Didn't do anything abraisive. I was impressed.

Lined 6-fold.

^ I'm just about to contact David about ordering and had also been thinking lined 6-fold, but so many here say that they find that 4-fold is fine. I've always found 6-fold so much nicer -- glad to see you do as well. David, of course, will have some good thoughts of his own.

4 Fold is fine, but 6 has better drape and ups the luxury a bit. I mean If I wanted a four fold I could just go to J. Press and buy one. David's 6 folds are special.

This. I ordered one of each to start with to evaluate the difference. My future orders will be 6-folds.

Have you ever had a tie narrowed at Tie Crafters? I have a couple ties that are too wide.

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I sold a tie to someone who paid me extra to take it to Tie Crafters to have it narrowed. (I am in NY they are in Canada) 

 

I didn't hear any complaints from them.

Any one have any pics of the grenadine garza pin dots in action? Have been thinking about a couple of them for a while - just need a little push to make the order.

Got this today:













It's charcoal grey / silver garza grossa grenadine and my first Hober tie. I have to say I'm more than pleased. Special thanks for the possibility to have it in desired length and width. That's why the four-in-hand knot (and tie length, too) is just perfect, at least in my opinion. Oh, and please don't mind my unbuttoned "at home" collar.

Thank you David!

What a stupid tie.

Btw, I somehow dripped something else on the tie. What is wrong with me?

Cuttingboard,

Tie Crafters are very good about cleaning ties from all reports but I have never heard or seen of an alterations shop that was qualified to work on custom made luxury ties.

The reason is simple: to do it correctly you don't simply alter a tie you take it completely apart and remake it. You need to have the same skill level and take the same time remaking the tie as when it was made.

Even if an alterations shop had the talent they can't afford to take the time and I am not talking about any shop in particular - I am talking in general about all alterations shops.

You can take a tie back to its maker if they offer a recrafting service.

Now for an ordinary low end tie all bets are off and you can go anywhere...


Patrick Booth,

You have found a gem with your dry cleaner - good work.

There is no reason why a good on premise cleaner can't do a good job. I favor small friendly shops where as you did you can talk to them and have them follow through carefully.


Applky.

Having a good tool kit is important and the most important aspect of tie construction is going slowly and being careful with small details - balance, fit, shape, fabric - listening to the order and so on..

Construction type is actually secondary and in most cases is a personal choice.

So if a gentleman tells me he is looking for a very light feeling I will tend to suggest a lined 3 or 4-fold (4-folds for loose weaves) 4-folds will look and feel similar to a 3-fold but will be more durable on the reverse side of the tie where the fabric is sewn together. The reason is that two folds with double sides are stronger (with a 4-fold). We no longer make 3-fold grenadines as we are constantly making small improvements each year to our ties.

On the other hand if someone likes a heavy luxurious feeling I will suggest a lined 6-fold.

I do not suggest unlined grenadines except for in the tipping area where it can work as the rest of the tie will have an interlining which is hidden. The reason that grenadines tend to work well with interlinings is that they are a loose weave which will get out of shape over time without an interlining.

Many if not most ties from Italy that are called unlined are not really as they have a hidden interlining at least in the knot area, also most 7-folds on the market are actually 6-folds.

Thanks David. I have a couple ralph lauren ties that I would like to have taken apart, cleaned and refolded. And a Dunhill tie that I would like to have narrowed.

We do not do cleaning so you need to find a good cleaner that you can work with.

I do not know if Dunhill or Ralph Lauren have a tie remaking service but you can try contacting them.

You can email me if you like - although we do not like working on other tie makers ties.