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A Sam (and David) Hober Tie Appreciation Thread - Page 325post #4861 of 65635/13/14 at 12:09pmpost #4862 of 65635/13/14 at 3:33pm
There is a bit of a debate going on in another thread about inkjet fabric printing. Since I know many of your fabrics are hand printed, is it possible to see the back side of the raw fabric? The claim is that inkjet printed fabrics have a white backside while hand printed and silkscreen do not. Thoughts? Thanks.post #4863 of 65635/13/14 at 4:56pm
Thanks, that was a great response. So what accounts for the white backgrounds on many tie silks?
Also I need to get around to ordering a few more of your ties when I get back to the US. Anything particularly interesting yet conservative enough for work you think is a must have? Already have a few of the solid Grenadines.post #4864 of 65635/13/14 at 6:34pmQuote:'at least not always....'Originally Posted by Sam Hober
Lets use logic:
When you are silk screening you are typically applying pressure so dyes do go through the fabric to one extent or another.
In theory you could have very light pressure and the dyes do not go all the way through - or only partially.
Inkjet printers also could in theory have a light touch (lighter than screening anyway) and have no dye go through the fabric. But, I have not seen this; instead I have seen ink jet fabric printing (two fabrics and two different printers in mind) with the dye going through the fabric but not so deeply.
The colors that do tend to go through in general (inkjet or silkscreening) are the dark background colors.
So the comment that inkjet printing will leave a white back is a sartorial myth. At least not always.
from what i have seen
and from what
has told me
(and he knows
and he has been
in this business
for a bit)
it is moar likely
to be white
many if not
most of teh printed
from brand name
and even if
they have a
see images belowQuote:Originally Posted by T4phage
i had an interesting
conversation with patrizio
about vintage silks
is a recent
and a much cheaper
way of printing silks
gives the ability to print
although it is not
as a silkscreened
it is easy
nor would you
say an inkjet
fabric is a vintage
unless one was
it is relatively easy
to tell an english
vs italian woven
by the way the silk
hopefully it is visible
from teh photos
english....Quote:Originally Posted by T4phage
there are also
that english silks
tend to be finished
with a drier hand
tend to finish
with a 'silkier' hand
here are moar
italian inkjet samples
that patrizio cappelli
in various weaves
it is very easy
in this new
by looking at
teh backpost #4865 of 65635/14/14 at 2:49amQuote:thank youOriginally Posted by Sam Hober
Beautiful photos - what type of lens do you use?
As for the ink jet fabric printing debate - I am a bit late to the party and don't want to get involved with talking about other clothing makers and sellers.
A few more thoughts:
On my monitor none of the fabric backs are white - so either I am seeing something very different than your photos (always possible with the internet) or we are not agreeing on terminology or the samples shown are not the ones you are thinking of.
Here is a link of an example of a necktie fabric that is printed in Italy using an ink jet printer.
As you can see there is a reverse side.
The same type of stripe using woven yarn that had been dyed would usually show a darker reverse.
Depending on the type of weaving sometimes you can use either side for tie making and you would not be likely to see a difference.
I don't know where my other ink jet sample is at the moment but it was printed in England and you can clearly see the back it is not white.
I don't have time to buy and learn how to use a fabric printer but it surely would be interesting....
i think we may
be talking about
the same thing
but using different
what i call 'white'
is the term cappelli
but it does not mean
none of the inkjets
that i saw was pure
like the photo
i would have called that
all it means
is that the ink
has not fully penetrated
all teh way thru
so that the top white
fibres of silk
are generally undyed
and remain whitish
if not all inkjet
silks start off on
a white piece of silk
(like printing paper)
unlike the silkscreened
nikon lenscappost #4866 of 65635/14/14 at 8:30amQuote:
Always - though the current generation of sensors are allowing a lot of natural and low-light photography that previously wasn't possible by non-professionals. If you haven't discovered www.dpreview.com yet, do check it out - lots of incredibly thorough reviews and comparisons and an excellent forum as well.
Are you thinking about rephotographing your ties? That would be quite a project.post #4867 of 65635/16/14 at 5:57ampost #4868 of 65635/16/14 at 7:26ampost #4869 of 65635/16/14 at 10:16ampost #4870 of 65635/16/14 at 10:54ampost #4871 of 65635/16/14 at 11:04amQuote:
You are all welcome. We may be parting with our $$, but we are getting great ties in return.post #4872 of 65635/17/14 at 8:23ampost #4873 of 65635/17/14 at 9:03ampost #4874 of 65635/17/14 at 11:06ampost #4875 of 65635/17/14 at 11:23am
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