Unless you want satin, or cotton, this is the only one currently offered in a solid "dark navy":
I rather like this tie.
See the untipped Hober grenadine (nice color!) in this post
Too transparent for my tastes, but I can see why one might like that look (if I had a larger tie wardrobe, there's something about such a tie for summer, a bit whimsical).
This gets better!
Since you've had the ties constructed in so many ways, any thoughts about drape and also how it knots, dimples (and holds its dimple), recovers after a day's wear?
My impression is that David prefers a lining. In talking to him about the knot I want, he's suggested a thicker lining which is counterintuitive to me, but he's the expert. If I had to guess, it might be that the thicker lining holds the knot better and allows more ease in dimpling (since there's more structure to the tie)?
I'm really surprised that the midnight is less transparent as the brown on the left despite same weave! But they vary in their transparency. I do like the untipped/handrolled edges idea, but waver on transparency (more that in a few years, I will wish it less transparent).
Also: I can't tell the prometeo apart from the grossa, though on the website, they look different.
Great stuff, thanks for your thoughts.
Edit: What I've tentatively decided on is a self-tipped, four-fold, with thicker lining (as per David's advice) for the first one. I will let him perform his magic in getting a tie that knots and dimples like this.
.Warning: Non-Hober Tie! (Click to show)
I feel like the knot is slightly more elongated than what I think I'm seeing in the pics above (e.g.in Ryan Markham's grenadine above which I think is the standard construction?). It's a bit more slender at the bottom of the knot. David also suggests less of a taper to achieve the effect.
I hope folks will forgive a non-Hober tie in the thread. But will post pics of my first Hober when it arrives and compare.
My standard construction 4-folds tie great knots, and are the chunkiest in the bunch. The 6-fold ties a more slender knot, but with an equally deep and smooth dimple (preferrable according to me). The 7-fold is a bit trickier though, and the dimple is shaped more like a fold than an actual dimple. So I will personally not order another 7-fold grenadine, though my smooth silk 7-fold ties a wonderful knot and dimple. So maybe it's just me and 7-fold grenadines. I never wear the same tie more than once every couple of weeks/a month, so I'm not really noticing any difference in recovery times or wrinkling.
I really recommend listening to David. He knows what he's doing!
And yes, I've noticed how most of the other navy grenadines are quite a bit darker than mine. It shows a little bit darker on my monitor than my phone screen, but the phone still shows it fairly accurately even though a tad light. So I must've gotten a light one. But it really doesn't bother me since I easily can wear it with a navy suit without it matching too much.
Any chance seeing these two knots?
Many fine fits and looks here P. The last one, curious why you did a DFIH (is that the four fold?). I only ask because the dimples is lovely and deep, but it also seems the knot could be more slender (tapered) at the bottom with a FIH. I like the knot on the top (first pic) the best (it seems closer to the knot in my pic). Does your 6-fold best approximate that? Of course, hard to see the knots from some of the angles. This is great!
That midnight with the off-white stripe is a fantastic tie. Wish David still had the fabric. You wear the light colored tie well too, can be hard to pull off but the darker pocket square does a good job adding some weight, color wise, as does the suit.
I see you ended up buying this one - good move! I personally think it's a great tie and I've been using it more and more. Nice pocket square too.