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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Anyone know if the other blues (dark navy, etc) are going to be restocked? I want a dark blue tie, but I've heard midnight blue is almost black, and navy has an indigo//brighter tint to it (in comparison to a normal navy)

Unless you want satin, or cotton, this is the only one currently offered in a solid "dark navy":

http://www.samhober.com/diamond-weave-silk-ties/dark-navy-diamond-weave-silk-tie-3.html

I rather like this tie.
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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post

Pazzion
That's really helpful! I'm toying with untipped but have been unsure of the transparency at the tip of the blade. With the large weave it is fairly noticeable?

The midnight seems to me obviously blue in these pics. Is that true for those who have just midnight grossa/prometeo without stripes? I just want it distinguishable from black by casual observer.

Thanks for that!

This causes me enough concern to convince me not to do it. But it's all personal taste.
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See the untipped Hober grenadine (nice color!) in this post

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/234255/hof-what-are-you-wearing-right-now-part-iii/17790#post_4988249

 

Too transparent for my tastes, but I can see why one might like that look (if I had a larger tie wardrobe, there's something about such a tie for summer, a bit whimsical).

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Wow, I am shocked at how quick David managed to get my ties to me. Ordered on Saturday night, shipped on Tuesday morning, and delivery came today! Only snag was that no one was home lol. If I knew he'd get them here this soon I would have bought more! Thanks David!
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This gets better!

 

Since you've had the ties constructed in so many ways, any thoughts about drape and also how it knots, dimples (and holds its dimple), recovers after a day's wear?


My impression is that David prefers a lining. In talking to him about the knot I want, he's suggested a thicker lining which is counterintuitive to me, but he's the expert. If I had to guess, it might be that the thicker lining holds the knot better and allows more ease in dimpling (since there's more structure to the tie)?

 

I'm really surprised that the midnight is less transparent as the brown on the left despite same weave! But they vary in their transparency. I do like the untipped/handrolled edges idea, but waver on transparency (more that in a few years, I will wish it less transparent).

 

Also: I can't tell the prometeo apart from the grossa, though on the website, they look different.

 

Great stuff, thanks for your thoughts.

 

Edit: What I've tentatively decided on is a self-tipped, four-fold, with thicker lining (as per David's advice) for the first one. I will let him perform his magic in getting a tie that knots and dimples like this.

 

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Warning: Non-Hober Tie! (Click to show)

 

I feel like the knot is slightly more elongated than what I think I'm seeing in the pics above (e.g.in Ryan Markham's grenadine above which I think is the standard construction?). It's a bit more slender at the bottom of the knot. David also suggests less of a taper to achieve the effect.


I hope folks will forgive a non-Hober tie in the thread. But will post pics of my first Hober when it arrives and compare.

 

My standard construction 4-folds tie great knots, and are the chunkiest in the bunch. The 6-fold ties a more slender knot, but with an equally deep and smooth dimple (preferrable according to me). The 7-fold is a bit trickier though, and the dimple is shaped more like a fold than an actual dimple. So I will personally not order another 7-fold grenadine, though my smooth silk 7-fold ties a wonderful knot and dimple. So maybe it's just me and 7-fold grenadines. I never wear the same tie more than once every couple of weeks/a month, so I'm not really noticing any difference in recovery times or wrinkling.

 

I really recommend listening to David. He knows what he's doing!

 

 

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Great pics and awesome ties. nod[1].gif

I must say though, I never would have guessed that's the navy fina in the spoilered pic. It looks much lighter than navy on my monitor and phone. Looks like a light royal blue and nothing close to the actual color of the fabric in real life. Just goes to show that YMMV, and ordering swatches is probably a good idea (though I never have bothered).

 

Thank you!

 

And yes, I've noticed how most of the other navy grenadines are quite a bit darker than mine. It shows a little bit darker on my monitor than my phone screen, but the phone still shows it fairly accurately even though a tad light. So I must've gotten a light one. But it really doesn't bother me since I easily can wear it with a navy suit without it matching too much.

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Originally Posted by pazzion View Post
 

 

My standard construction 4-folds tie great knots, and are the chunkiest in the bunch. The 6-fold ties a more slender knot, but with an equally deep and smooth dimple (preferrable according to me).

I really recommend listening to David. He knows what he's doing!

 

Any chance seeing these two knots?:D

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Any chance seeing these two knots?biggrin.gif


Unlined 7-fold silk. Four in hand. You didn't ask for this one, but for reference between how the unlined 7-folds dimples if grenadine or smooth silk (at least of me).



Lightly lined 6-fold grenadine fina. Four in hand.



Unlined 7-fold grenadine grossa. Four in hand.



Another but darker navy grenadine piccola. Double four in hand.
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Originally Posted by pazzion View Post

  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Unlined 7-fold silk. Four in hand. You didn't ask for this one, but for reference between how the unlined 7-folds dimples if grenadine or smooth silk (at least of me).

  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Lightly lined 6-fold grenadine fina. Four in hand.

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Unlined 7-fold grenadine grossa. Four in hand.

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Another but darker navy grenadine piccola. Double four in hand.

Many fine fits and looks here P. The last one, curious why you did a DFIH (is that the four fold?). I only ask because the dimples is lovely and deep, but it also seems the knot could be more slender (tapered) at the bottom with a FIH. I like the knot on the top (first pic) the best (it seems closer to the knot in my pic). Does your 6-fold best approximate that? Of course, hard to see the knots from some of the angles. This is great!

 

That midnight with the off-white stripe is a fantastic tie. Wish David still had the fabric. You wear the light colored tie well too, can be hard to pull off but the darker pocket square does a good job adding some weight, color wise, as does the suit.

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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post

Many fine fits and looks here P. The last one, curious why you did a DFIH (is that the four fold?). I only ask because the dimples is lovely and deep, but it also seems the knot could be more slender (tapered) at the bottom with a FIH. I like the knot on the top (first pic) the best (it seems closer to the knot in my pic). Does your 6-fold best approximate that?

Thank you very much! And regarding some of the knots being difficult to see so are these the only fit pics I have of these ties. smile.gif

I had on a pair of trousers that was cut higher than my regular model, so I didn't want the blade to be too low over the belt. I did have to tie it really tight witht the DFIH though, and it's still, as you note, a bit bulky. So it's not something that I've done again.

Yes, I feel that the 6-fold grenadine gives the most slender FIH with a nice dimple. But it's quite the skill thing to get nice dimples as well, so if you look at Stitch's knots you'll see beautiful dimples "even though" I think he uses the standard construction (at least on the dark chocolate or burgundy fina/picccola that I have in mind. If I'm not mistaken I believe he uses a half windsor though, but look at his earlier fits and compare to the ones he posts now and you'll see an excellent example of someone who has practiced and made perfect).

So I personally prefer the 6-fold, but would buying both and see which one you like the best yourself. I've bought standard construction, 6-folds and 7-folds in both smooth silk and grenadine as an experiment, and YMMV.

Good luck! smile.gif
Edited by pazzion - 2/21/14 at 6:16am
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Today's Hober is the black/white shepard's check (6-fold construction).

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Unlined 7-fold silk. Four in hand. You didn't ask for this one, but for reference between how the unlined 7-folds dimples if grenadine or smooth silk (at least of me).

 

 

I see you ended up buying this one - good move! I personally think it's a great tie and I've been using it more and more. Nice pocket square too.

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Any chance seeing these two knots?biggrin.gif


Unlined 7-fold silk. Four in hand. You didn't ask for this one, but for reference between how the unlined 7-folds dimples if grenadine or smooth silk (at least of me).



Lightly lined 6-fold grenadine fina. Four in hand.

To my eye the lined 6 fold looks the best. But all are very nice.
post #4363 of 5706
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

To my eye the lined 6 fold looks the best. But all are very nice.

PP's tie today certainly supports your thought.
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I'm wearing the same tie PP. Awesome. Thanks for sharing the pics and thoughts pazzion.
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I'm wearing the same tie PP. Awesome.

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