A Sam (and David) Hober Tie Appreciation Thread - Page 69

Thanks.

Yeah, just hand rolled edges; no other special requests or construction options went into these (i.e., just standard 3 or 4 fold construction).

 

I have been waiting for a restock on that particular striped grenadine for quite a while! Looking forward to ordering and receiving one of my own.
 

 

Thank you for the details. I default to lightly-lined or unlined six-fold construction with hand rolled edges. I have a feeling that these would look great unlined, if casual.

Thanks for your response.
I know your attention to details and really appreciate your work, and I dislike how much you the edges poor stitched (sometimes machine-made that imitate handwork) but I did not speak of that case.
Yes, probably my point of view depends as I am an Italian, I simply prefer the romantic look of different but equally well made edge, with various twists and irregularities (that for me not mean imperfections)
The target to have such a regular and circular edge is clearly visible for me, but for me it makes them so static and inanimate.
I think that both kind of edges are and well made and well stitched, simply in a different way.
Edited by alexSF - 4/1/12 at 10:18am

AlexSf,

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as it should be, but I can assure you that rustic style pocket squares are not perfectly made - although they may be perfectly beautiful to you and others.

Think of the beauty of a perfectly tuned Ferrari sports car - i don't think you want it to stop and start - you want smooth perfection...

Also perfection is in the eye of the beholder...why you call them rustic?

My grandmother is an hand embroiderer so I am familiar with this kind of work.
Edited by alexSF - 4/1/12 at 10:55am

AlexSF,

In an emotional artistic sense certainly you can say that perfection is also in the eye of the beholder as for example the love of a family member for someone close to them.

However, you simply can't say that fast sewing that is irregular is perfect in a technical sense and I am coming from a very serious point of view of a craft person.

We put a lot of energy into making our products as perfect as possibly constantly looking for small improvements again to use the example of a sports car the designers will always look to constantly improve the perfection not just of the engine which I spoke of earlier but the interaction of all the parts.

This is real beauty and perfection to the enthusiast.

I use the word rustic in the sense that in the countryside you might find a more relaxed view of craft.

As a good example today I was looking at a magazine for ideas on a house that I want to build, the photos that caught my eye were of a simple and old style of wood building quite beautiful and possibly perfect in a romantic sense to many but not perfect in a technical sense to a master carpenter. The wood was cut roughly and not joined together smoothly - very common in the rural areas.

I thought that this style worked well for a resort in the mountains but not for my own home - instead I lean more toward a perfectly built house that will not leak at all and look pleasingly smooth to my eye with a lot of attention put into the small details. It will cost more but I accept that.

I also accept that many love a rustic look.

I hope that one day I can meet you in Italy and sit in a cafe with you for hours to discuss what is perfection and beauty

The point is that I did not talk of fast sewing.
As I have added above my grandmother is an hand emboiderer and I really enjoy her patient and amazing work.
I really understand how attention needs to maintain that regularity in a circular edge like yours, but this is perfection in a point of view, not necessarily for everyone.
I do not talk in technical terms, but in aesthetic terms.

The edges that you call rustic could be perfect as yours in a technical term, with the same slow and carefull stitching but simply with a different aesthetic objective, with the thread pulled in a way to create an effect of movement and not of regularity.

I understand that you want to distinguish from the rest of the production, especially from that of poor quality, which is really rustic...
Your regular edge reach this goal and are perfectly distinguishable like a incredibly well made finishing.
To understand instead if an "ordinary" edge is well done a trained eye it is needed, because the aestetic could be similar but the technical realization not.

Beauty and perfection are both too subjective to force them into rules.
I hope too to meet a great artisan like you, that really love his work.
Edited by alexSF - 4/1/12 at 1:50pm

David, how old do you think Benjamin will have to get before he starts feeling left out of the family business? That darn Samantha is getting all of the credit!

If I am not mistaken, I think the silk-making part of the business is represented by Ben--from what I remember, both Sam and Ben have been thoroughly taken care of

Children are so interesting, I always thought in the past that we are mostly a product of our environment but watching Sam and Ben grow up I see they already have strong personalities which are very different.

Samantha has a very strong artistic outlook both in terms of talent and emotions and Benjamin is very much a people person. Sam already has a feeling of ownership based on the company name and loves to sew after school in the workshop (milk and cookies first of course).

My real dream is for the children to work together but we will see how things evolve.

The fathers out there reading this will understand my feelings exactly - feel free to smile knowingly... and suggestions are always welcome.

Of fer cryin' out loud men! Will somebody PLEASE take this swatch set before I throw it in the back of a drawer and forget that I have it? What a shame it would be if it were to go out of circulation.

Okay, somebody just grabbed it. Other interested parties should watch this space. That swatch set will be available again in one or two weeks.
Edited by Threadbearer - 4/3/12 at 1:27pm

^ PM sent.

Would love to have it next? Would love a light green.

Placed an order for my first Hober tie (and my first quality tie in general).  Being my first, I went with the standard navy grenadine (grossa).  3.5" wide.

Great choice...it won't be your last! You'll be hooked!