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post #136 of 149
6/21/11 at 4:48am
Lyle mcdonalds PSMF. Hard but was effective
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post #137 of 149
6/23/11 at 2:42pm
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fat storage around the abdomen (as opposed to the ass/thighs/hips) is characteristically male.
No shit. But people do have different fat distributions. Like I said, my abs are becoming visible, waist has gotten smaller (again YMMV, I got up to a 31.5 waist, I want to be back to a 30", I'm probably around 30.5 now), its just the final fat that is always the hardest to get off and also takes the longest.
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post #138 of 149
6/23/11 at 3:42pm
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No shit. But people do have different fat distributions. Like I said, my abs are becoming visible, waist has gotten smaller (again YMMV, I got up to a 31.5 waist, I want to be back to a 30", I'm probably around 30.5 now), its just the final fat that is always the hardest to get off and also takes the longest.
You're the one that's acting like storing fat around your midsection makes you a unique and beautiful snowflake. No shit, this is where males store fat, and holy fucking shit, there is some degree of variance in the distribution. Let me guess, you also have a penis that's different than other penises, and some number of fingers and toes. How fucking fascinating.
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post #139 of 149
6/23/11 at 5:10pm
What is the purpose of the nastiness in this exchange
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post #140 of 149
6/23/11 at 6:58pm
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What is the purpose of the nastiness in this exchange

if i had to guess, image is insecure about being skinny-fat, so he started with the snark as a defense mechanism.
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post #141 of 149
6/23/11 at 7:40pm
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What is the purpose of the nastiness in this exchange

All I was doing was updating the thread since I was the OP, and if you saw what I consider my 'fat' most people would think that I was crazy. BBSLM stated something, and I was just pointing out that his post was too general and it went from there. This entire thread got fucked up, which is why I stopped posting here. I'll cease again.
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post #142 of 149
6/23/11 at 11:11pm
Good cutting diet with minimal muscle loss = 500 cals under maintenance + 1g/lb body weight of protein... w/optional carb cycling (i.e. +125g carbs on lift days, -125g carbs on rest days). Works veddy well.
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post #143 of 149
6/24/11 at 7:53am
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Good cutting diet with minimal muscle loss = 500 cals under maintenance + 1g/lb body weight of protein... w/optional carb cycling (i.e. +125g carbs on lift days, -125g carbs on rest days). Works veddy well.

My maintenance is about 2500-2800 (depending on which calculator you believe). I consume at about 2000 a day (more on lifting days, say 2400), and hit at least 1g/lb protein every day (prob 1.5g/lb on lifting days). I'm trying to cut but in two strict months I've put on 2 kilos.

I used to eat less - so I wonder if my body just isn't used to me suddenly deciding my maintenance is 2800 rather than 1800. Any broscience to back me up?
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post #144 of 149
6/24/11 at 9:09am
Your maintenance calories are not 2500-2800, obviously.
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post #145 of 149
6/24/11 at 9:23am
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My maintenance is about 2500-2800 (depending on which calculator you believe). I consume at about 2000 a day (more on lifting days, say 2400), and hit at least 1g/lb protein every day (prob 1.5g/lb on lifting days). I'm trying to cut but in two strict months I've put on 2 kilos.

I used to eat less - so I wonder if my body just isn't used to me suddenly deciding my maintenance is 2800 rather than 1800. Any broscience to back me up?

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Your maintenance calories are not 2500-2800, obviously.

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Calculators are not an unquestionable method of determining BMR. They're an alright way of getting a starting point - one that is clearly too high for you. Best way of finding BMR: measure everything you eat for a week, weigh yourself before and after. Average your total daily calories. If you've gained weight, its less, if you've lost weight, its more. Simple.
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post #146 of 149
6/24/11 at 10:12am
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Your maintenance calories are not 2500-2800, obviously.



I managed to figure that out. My question is, is that usual? If I'm only on 2000 kcals and gaining weight, I need to be eating more like say 1500-1600 to cut? It just sounds excessive.
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post #147 of 149
6/24/11 at 10:30am
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This Calculators are not an unquestionable method of determining BMR. They're an alright way of getting a starting point - one that is clearly too high for you. Best way of finding BMR: measure everything you eat for a week, weigh yourself before and after. Average your total daily calories. If you've gained weight, its less, if you've lost weight, its more. Simple.
Yea this is the only way. Online calculators say my BMR is like 2700-2800. Turns out my maintenance is freakishly lower at about 2200-2300 (I am a somewhat lean 180lbs). Tools & guides and all that shit provide a starting point but ultimately you have to tailor shit for yourself. *EDIT* Yea you would have to eat that little to cut. It can get pretty hairy. I have cut about 10lb using various strategies and here are some things I have learned that work for me. - After a while your body "adapts" to the lower intake and weight loss stops. When this happens you will know obv cause the scale will stop dropping and your lifts will start to tank. Lyle McDonald suggests to take a break from a cut every 6-8 weeks and eat at or slightly above maintenance. I just finished my break after 2 months of cutting and I think it worked.... 3 weeks ago I couldn't deadlift 335, I started the recomp and shot back up to 6x365... lifts that were trailing off got easy again etc. - Meal timing/frequency doesn't matter and bigger meals IME are more satisfying. Some days I just do a big lunch and then a piece of meat for dinner and I'm good. - Breakfast doesn't matter - Coffee >>>>>>> breakfast - Whatever weight you think you will need to drop to get lean... double it
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post #148 of 149
6/24/11 at 10:38am
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I managed to figure that out. My question is, is that usual? If I'm only on 2000 kcals and gaining weight, I need to be eating more like say 1500-1600 to cut? It just sounds excessive.

Drop a few hundred for a few weeks, see what happens. I was barely over 2k and maintaining at 170lbs a few months ago, and I've always had a hot metabolism. Take your morning temps for a week, and average them out too.
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post #149 of 149
6/24/11 at 11:04am
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Yea this is the only way. Online calculators say my BMR is like 2700-2800. Turns out my maintenance is freakishly lower at about 2200-2300 (I am a somewhat lean 180lbs). Tools & guides and all that shit provide a starting point but ultimately you have to tailor shit for yourself.

*EDIT* Yea you would have to eat that little to cut. It can get pretty hairy. I have cut about 10lb using various strategies and here are some things I have learned that work for me.

- After a while your body "adapts" to the lower intake and weight loss stops. When this happens you will know obv cause the scale will stop dropping and your lifts will start to tank. Lyle McDonald suggests to take a break from a cut every 6-8 weeks and eat at or slightly above maintenance. I just finished my break after 2 months of cutting and I think it worked.... 3 weeks ago I couldn't deadlift 335, I started the recomp and shot back up to 6x365... lifts that were trailing off got easy again etc.

- Meal timing/frequency doesn't matter and bigger meals IME are more satisfying. Some days I just do a big lunch and then a piece of meat for dinner and I'm good.

- Breakfast doesn't matter

- Coffee >>>>>>> breakfast

- Whatever weight you think you will need to drop to get lean... double it

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Drop a few hundred for a few weeks, see what happens. I was barely over 2k and maintaining at 170lbs a few months ago, and I've always had a hot metabolism. Take your morning temps for a week, and average them out too.

Thanks for the responses guys - good to know.

Totally agree about coffee breakfast
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