Originally Posted by Pablo-T
It might be more helpful if you explain what selvage actually is. Then explain that it only appears on shuttle loom denim. Then talk about the difference between shuttle loom denim and projectile loom denim, and detail how projectile looms became common around the time that OE yarn was introduced, and manufacturers started using more sulphur and less indigo. Otherwise, you're just saying 'selvage is great' - when on its own, selvage has nothing to do with intrinsic quality.
Sorry, I initially planned these write-ups to educate those new to the scene, I understand there are a lot of things I haven't covered sufficiently to keep those already in the know such as yourself, on their feet. There is just way too much content to cover and my goal is to provide an introduction for now. After all, if you get into the finer details it will just cause a shitstorm as most of it becomes based on preference. The argument can easily sway both ways as to what is the best with just a few people arguing. Bottom line is that it may just sound like I am regurgitating already known information, but that is how it is being marketed to us by the manufacturers and that is what the general consensus is.
Originally Posted by grundletaint
i soak everything, sanforized or not. there's always gonna be some sort shrinkage in the denim and i like getting it out of the way and closer to how they'll eventually fit after a wash. as far as the dude who says they stretched out more than they would have without a soak....how? have you worn non-soaked ones before? i can't see how soaking them would make them more prone to stretch than normal unless they were worn damp or something.... it's gonna stretch out regardless so maybe those were just destined to do it anyways. getting them wet isn't gonna magically activate some stretch quality and, if anything, is gonna tighten the weave.
That is true and I don't dispute that - who are you referring to who said they stretched out more? I don't recall a statement like that being made. I have worn soaked and non-soaked jeans and I don't disagree with what you are saying. Perhaps you have misinterpreted something that has been said - but in my books the denim will stretch out the same regardless of whether it has been washed before or after wearing, and like you said the only difference being you are able to get most of the shrinkage out of the way if you choose to introduce it to water beforehand.