Originally Posted by Stizzyle
This thread is further proof that college is idiotic.
It's even more idiotic that some are proud of paying for friends.
Originally Posted by Another New Yorker
How on earth is it paying for our friends. The dues we pay pay for housing, chef, booze, party spaces, busses, etc. Just as an independent might go to the the liquor store for a bottle of Jack Daniels, a fraternity goes to the liquor store to swipe through a a few crates of maker's mark. Our friends are made when we get to know them for free during rush and so on and so forth. The money spent goes to paying for concrete things.
Thanks for your insightful contribution though.
Very few extra-curricular organizations in university are cost-free. Most student groups that provide any real value have costs they need to cover. Greeks organizations have insurance costs, unfortunately, as well, which must be covered. I believe every single one of any size is a registered non-profit and charity. The only extra-curricular groups I know of that are essentially free to their members would be sports team, and obviously their costs are paid for by others, due to the perceived value they provide to the university.
Hazing is a product of the GI bill after WW2. Prior to this there is not much evidence for hazing, as I understand it, directly from my mentor, who designs programming for Greek orgs. The GI bill brought back soldiers who'd built hazing rituals, and who figured they would do well to pass these on to their new friends. Hazing really has no value of any type, and while I know a very small number of activities that seem to fall outside the typical definition of hazing have been banned for liability reasons, almost all stereotypical hazing behaviour is totally unnecessary. I was not hazed, and as President of my chapter, would not allow hazing. If I ever heard of it from my chapter now, I would see to it that the members responsible were expelled from the organization.
Joining my fraternity was the single most rewarding thing I did during university. I am with Brothers nearly every day, five years after graduation, and even today one remarked to me how amazing it is that unlike almost every independent he knows, he still talks to a dozen or more university friends, simply because of the fraternity. Further to that, I had a ready-made network available to me upon graduation, and I know of a half dozen guys in my relatively small city from my fraternity in my field who I keep in touch with and receive advice from on a regular basis.
The fraternity experience isn't perfect, nor is it the only way to achieve the sort of outcomes I've achieved. Additionally, I admit that for me, the jury is still out as to the net benefit for the average male. For women and sororities, I truly wonder, given the difference in the way they operate and the bad experience several women I know have had. But for me, a fairly extroverted person who wanted more out of university, my fraternity membership is something I value.