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Too much greenacres.

Start with a fruit orchard. Plant a mix of fruit trees. Apples,pears,peaches,plums and cherries. A mix of types. Plant extras. Expect bad years that early frosts kill off the flowers. Expect bad years that blight etc kill things. Expect bad years that the birds/bugs eat lots. Expect bad years that it rains too much. Expect bad years it doesn't rain enough. Still if you plant enough trees of different types you'll have enough in a bad year. In a good year you'll be feeding the animals.

Nut trees to if you have the time to wait.

Of course it'll take years for the trees to hit peak productions.

Then add your small fruits. Raspberries , strawberries etc. Quicker to establish then trees. Raspberries will spread to. Aspargus won't hurt.

Learn to look after pigs and chickens. The pigs will eat all your excess.

The trees will need to be pruned during those times you think nothing needs doing. So start learning pruning and grafting.

Learn spring/summer/fall/winter veggies. Even in fairly cold areas you'll have things that can be planted or growing during the winter.

Get a wood stove. The fruit and nut trees prunings will provide some of your firewood. But you may need to plant some trees for that to. Something else to do in your spare time. Chopping firewood. Remember many of those fruit trees aren't long lived but take awhile to get going. So you'll be planting replacements before the old ones die off.

If you're smart you'll have enough land to plant a clover or alfalfa patch in rotation of your other stuff.

Oh don't forget some rabbits they breed like rabbits. They'll also eat stuff you might otherwise be throwing out.

^ that would be a great way to start. It's basically what I was alluding to above - you don't need a huge amount of space to grow a pretty high percentage of your food, but you do need to be creative, and you want to think in terms of using or reusing everything.
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it wouldn't be that too bad.


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Is there anywhere in this thread where I mentioned that it would be easy? No. I said it would be hard. I just said it's doable.

Anyway, I'm not trying to start a fight.
The thing is, I've actually lived this way. I'm not just saying shit because I think it sounds good. I have no idea what Metros intention actually is. More likely than not he just wants attention. But if you are actually interested in this type of thing I can answer pretty much any question. You will need to become half redneck hippie half man (to paraphrase the good Dr.).

It is really, really hard to grow enough food to eat. Really hard. Obviously it is doable, people have done it for thousands of years but one thing they have the advantage of is a large group, remember all those farmers wanting to have sons to help them farm, and a lot of knowledge that you don't. People mention using draft animals, well, that's hard to learn. That is almost a profession unto itself, as are many things you would need to learn.

And there is the question of food storage. If you are actually trying to go all in that means smoking, drying, curing, canning, root cellars. That is TONS of work. Really more than one person can do.

Better to only go half in and keep one foot firmly rooted in the 21ist century. Can some but have a fridge. Grow some fresh veg but still buy your pasta. Raise a few birds and a pig or two but plan on buying certain things as well.

There is a lot to recommend the lifestyle and I'm happy to answer any specific questions. Now I'm off to the garden.
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Can't imagine farming to survive. Farmville is hard enough
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