I've stuck with a knot I came up with myself years ago after a bit of experimenting; it's probably got a name, but yet to come across it anywhere. I guess it's pretty similar conceptually to the Shelby: referring to the steps in the picture guide for the Shelby from the website... 1. Same, but with the thin end flipped over so that the stitching is facing inward. (Probably doesn't do anything special.) 2. Same. 3. Same. 3 1/2. Repeat steps 2 and 3, but this time bring the wide end up and over the other side (i.e. your left). The reason for doing this is to give the other side of the triangle more body so the resulting knot comes out more symmetrical. 4, 5, 6. EXACTLY the same, i.e. you form the loop by swinging the wide end from your RIGHT side to your left, pull through the top and tuck through. And that's it. Gives a medium-sized and pretty symmetrical knot which I think goes well with both normal and button-down collars. If you like a bigger knot, you can just repeat steps 2, 3, and 3 1/2, alternating sides and building up the triangle as you go along, before looping the knot and tucking. I don't like big knots though, which is why I've never liked the Windsor. I've also never liked the four-in-hand, because: a) I've never been able to get the knot even remotely symmetrical; and b) I'm pretty short so after getting the right length with the wide end, I end up with the thin end far too long.