Originally Posted by g transistor
First off, no, I wasn't but go ahead and find it.
This isn't a fucking argument about the elusive definition of quality, this is an argument about getting the most for your money, which longevity obviously falls under. If you're paying $120 or whatever for denim and they bust in three months, that's good mileage for your dollar? Considering you can shell out a little bit more money you can get Petit standards or some 3sixteens or something (which are cut much better in terms of fit), N&F is NOT worth it. But I guess some people like to throw kevlar into their blend so they can go all Sam Fisher while wearing some Red Wings
I gave my H&M denim as an example because it's not Wal-Mart jeans, it's cut very well and for ~$40, their pants are definitely worth it.
Oh, okay. Saw someone a few months ago who had the same argument.
Again, if I get $10 jeans that look like shit but last for a year, that'll be getting 'the most for your money'.
Originally Posted by Uncontrol
OK, but we're talking about fucking denim here, a fabric that pretty much exists because it's durable. The point of raw denim is to wear it hard and get sick fadez, so shouldn't they be more durable than $40 H&M jeans?
I'm not sure what his particular problem with the jeans was, but I think it's probably something hardware-related. The first few batches of N&F had a number of these problems (buttons popping off etc) but they've improved a lot since then. If you go through the N&F thread, you'll see there are practically no complaints nowadays, compared to the first few pages. I highly doubt he ripped apart the fabric of two pairs of jeans, so the only other likely problem I can think of is crotch blowout. That shit really depends on how tight you wear it, and it happens even with the 'best' Japanese repro jeans.
Originally Posted by aaaeeeiiiooouuu
I agree that APC are more durable than N&F
I've owned both and objectively, APC denim > N&F denim
I've owned many pairs of both and about the only thing I'd put APC above N&F for is a nicer back pocket design. They're hardly more durable, I got a crotch blowout on my old New Cures after a few months. I've had a whole bunch of N&F jeans for about a year or more now, and have never had such a problem.